Complex vs Complicated - 05-24-2024

Hello, humans. Hello humans. It's 24 may going into Memorial Day weekend. It's early Friday morning. It's like 230 in the am, something like that.

Or shortly thereafter, heading up north. I'm gonna go do a pick up a delivery.

Getting some special stuff sent to me and I gotta go collect it.

Anyway, so I wanted to talk for a bit about. So. So I've got a multiple hour drive. I'm not gonna talk for multiple hours. I have to head up north like 4 hours here, something like that.

Anyway, just headed out, so I'm a little on the fuzz headed side. Still waking up.

I used to do shift work and knew I was going to do this. So I had reset my schedule over these last few days so it wouldn't be so brutal trying to get up at 01:00 a.m. in order to get there by pickup time.

Anyway, so I had a chance to watch the three plus hours of Rogan and Terrence Howard. I didn't know who the fuck Terrence Howard was. I don't watch movies much because usually they're all, you know, Wilconie and all to hell and gone. So they disturb me. So, you know, just gonna get irritated.

Right.

So the, you know, I had no real prior knowledge of this guy. Anyway, he's. He's interesting. He's talking about a lot of stuff I know about. Read Walter Russell back in like the early sixties and then then again in the seventies, something like that.

I've got the entire collection of his works, even have a very high quality production of the universal one, which is his, I guess you'd say, ontology or cosmology. He doesn't use any math in his design description of physics, which is why he was discounted by all of the physicists in our social order here is because they're all based around a math framework. And if you don't do math, then you don't count, which is basically what it is. However, the highest expression of math so far has been calculus written out as words. Right.

To be able to discuss mathematics in words. So anyway, this could be a bit of a rambling thing, but. And I'm still. Still taking my vitamins and stuff. Hang on a second.

I've got to get a lot more coffee in me. Have to stop and do a few things along the way, get fuel and such. Anyway, so the issue is complexity versus complications. Okay. And so the thing about Walter Russell.

All right, so let me back up a bit and say that Terence Howard cited as some of his sources Walter Russell who was a brilliant thinker and a pretty good writer. I mean, he put it across really well. He's more friendly than, say, buckminster Fuller. Okay. And a lot of the stuff, I don't know that Terrence Howard has really delved into or read synergetics.

Okay. Which was a work that was produced by Buckminster Fuller and a bunch of other people, like assistants. Right. And they put together this very impressive work that actually has a lot of the math and so on in it that I think Terrence Howard would find it, you know, refreshingly aligned with what he's talking about. And Fuller wrote this.

It's a damn logging trucks. 230 in the morning. Geez. You know, these guys run. They've got to get it done because they can't run through the weekend because Memorial Day weekend, there's going to be a lot of tourists out here.

And so they've been running all night. I sort of heard them as I was trying to get some sleep last night. They have to grind up this hill that in the town I live in here. So. Or the village anyway, though.

So.

So Terrence Howard sighted Walter Russell. He sighted a bunch of other people. And one of the people he sights is this guy, John Keeley. Now here is where it gets. Gets tricky, right?

Because everybody stumbles over John Keeley. I thought he was legit too, right? Everybody does when you run into him. And this gets to the point of complication versus complex or complexity, right? And so Walter Russell's stuff is disarmingly simple in its presentation and it is amazingly complex.

All right? But it's not complicated. Keely, on the other hand, was accepted in the 18 hundreds. He was like, in the 18. He was a kid in the 1820s and he was like a.

I think maybe he died in the 1870s. It was something like that. He was a millionaire when he died, a multimillionaire. But he was a fraud. So we know he was a fraud here because after he.

Alright, so he made these inventions. He claimed to have discovered a new motive force, a new kind of force. Okay? So it would be the equivalent of saying, I've discovered in the electromagnetic spectrum something that is between, you know, x rays and visible light, all right? Something like that.

So you discover a new physical phenomena. And that's what he was claiming. He was saying that he, John Keeley, had discovered this new motive force and it was based on sound and you had to do all this weird stuff to get it to work. But he made these engines, and these engines were marvelously complex or complicated. Sorry, not complex.

They were complicated. There were little bits and pieces of brass everywhere. There were copper tubing, there was brass tubing, there were brass spheres. There were shined, chrome plated steel spheres there. There were bearing surfaces and all kinds of stuff.

And this fucker moved. All right? You could do things. He would go over to these little cabinets and demonstrate this. Right now, his whole thing was, he was a fraud, and so his whole point was to create a fake engine, and then he got investors to finish it out, to make it practical, right?

And so he. He would collect millions of dollars this way, where he ended up getting millions of dollars out of very well heeled people in Philadelphia, New York, etcetera. People would travel hundreds of miles to go to his house to see this stuff demonstrated and to give him money. And bear in mind now, you know, we're talking cash in that day. They were talking gold and silver, constitutional money.

So if they were going to give him money, they had to bring the goods to him anyway. So that's what he did. He. He had a scheme, and he built these marvelous contraptions that appeared to work, and then he built a scientific word salad, as Bret Weinstein described Terence Howard. But he built this word salad that was quasi scientific sounding, and people bought it because these machines moved.

Then what he would say was basically his whole scam was this, that he said, I have discovered this new motive force. We can use it to power anything. It doesn't require fuel. It requires that you do things ahead of time to make it work.

And then once it does start working, you can turn it on, and it just goes forever and ever and ever on. No fuel. But it's not quite yet practical to make a derivative engine, to make an engine that you could, like, for instance, derive electricity from by connecting it to a gen set. They were, after making it into trains and what we would think of as early forms of cars, right? Motive wagons, he called it, or motational wagons.

It was a weird variant on motion anyway, so. But it was all based on these wagons, and they were going to stick these things in the wagons, and you wouldn't need horses anymore anyway, so he had these machines, they worked marvelously. People would gather down there. He had a huge coterie of adherents that believed that this guy was the smartest fucker around, just absolute genius and so on. And then for, like, I want to say, maybe 40 years, he kept this scam going, collecting money from investors, and he would pay off some investors with the money from the new investors, a la Ponzi scheme.

Style. But basically, his whole thing was to just collect money from people, as he was theoretically working on getting these engines to the point where you could derive power from them, because fundamentally he was saying they were based on sound. And so he would do these things that supposedly you had to do in order to make this work. You had to change the nature of matter. And basically, it was like you played music to it, right, and it was supposed to absorb all these frequencies of the music, the sounds, and then it was going to be transformed by those over a course of a couple of days, up to a couple of months, depending on the material, and then it would be a different material and it would react differently, and you could use that material in his engines, and these engines would function.

And he built a number of these devices. He also built one that would talk to the dead. I kid you not. I mean, this was the. The height of the Seance era and all of that here in the US.

So, you know, it was kind of a fitting with that. I mean, it fit in with the ethos of the time relative to what they were all discussing. So he would. He would alter his efforts with this new motive force to take advantage of the current thing in his milieu. And at one point, he got himself into trouble because of some stuff he'd said was reported into a local paper, I think it was Philadelphia.

And it came across, he got a bunch of christians pissed at him because of this talking to the dead thing. They weren't really pissed at him because of the, what they call necromancy, but they were pissed at him because they thought, uh oh, if this force is what he's using to make his engines run, and you use it to talk to the dead, is it the. The actual spirits of the dead? Are you enslaving dead people to make your engines run? Right?

And so there was some thought about this, and it got him.

Got him into some trouble. You know, people gave him some shit about it. Anyway, so, anyway, so the whole thing, by the way, ran on compressed air. He was a pretty good engineer, right? And this was.

This was interesting. When Keely died, some of his adherents there went to his house right away, and they took out a couple of his machines and they. They took him away to do the perfection on their own. They thought they worked, right? And so they were just going to complete the effort, and they would be the next, you know, genius inventor, right?

They would be the next cotton gin inventor. I mean, it wasn't, they didn't have big inventions at that time. They were just heading into it. This was, you know, as we were busting out of the Kali yuga, this 150 plus years later, and so it's just really starting to take off.

Anyway, he's, um. Hang on a second here. I'm with hell.

So he's doing this. He's doing this stuff that is, um, supposedly all based on sound, and yet. And there were noises involved. So. So that that part made sense.

Hang on. All right. That part made sense, that these machines would make noises and stuff, right? But what he was actually doing was running it all off compressed air. He had a giant steel sphere and two different kinds of engines, you know, traditional engines.

One was like a pump, like a hand pump, giant hand pump. But he had these methods for compressing the air down there. And so this was down in the basement. He had this intricate, intricate. Buried in the walls, carried through the floor, all of this kind of stuff for all this tubing to conduct the compressed air all around the house.

And the. And he ran his machines on what we know as the corollas effect, right? Which is where you just pass rapidly moving air over a smooth surface that can rotate, and it will rotate. It'll move. There need not be any veins on it or, you know, that kind of thing.

It'll just move because of the aerodynamic pressures, because it is truly a pressure issue. So. Excuse me. So Keeley makes these things.

He dies. People take his engines, a couple of them out of his house. His adherents, sort of like his cult, kind of like raids the place after they find out he's dead. And then a bunch of people move in, the investors move in and seize all of the goods and stuff. At the time that they did that, there were two newspaper reporters that were local.

Again, I think it's Philadelphia for some reason. So I don't know. I'll have to check the actual location. But there were these two reporters, one of whom had thought that Keely was right on the verge. You know, he'd been a sort of an adherent.

He'd written some favorable articles over the years about the guy. The guy is getting old, but he appears to be really sharp, and he appears to have made some kind of a conceptual breakthrough in those last couple of years that are going to put the engines out there and working right now. Bear in mind, this has been a 30 40 year effort.

Anyway, the other reporter thought that Keely was a fraud, but they were. They were nonetheless, they were buddies, and they. They were working this stuff. And then they go to Keely's house as the investors are there at the invitation of one of the investor guys, one of the guys who had stuck multiple millions in there. And they go on into the.

To his house after the investors had been there for several hours or maybe even the previous day as well. And the reporters come on in and the investors are, like, really shaken, like, you know, pale and ready to throw up and all of this kind of stuff. And that's when they had discovered the compressed air and the stuff down in Keeley's workshop that kept the air compressed and routed it and all of his switches and stuff. So what's really interesting as an aside to that, is that some years later, ten years later, an engineer for the us military at a military base nearby, who had been involved as a child in the deconstruction of it all, in the mapping of it all, so to speak, fraud, wrote it all up in a military journal. And he talks about how, you know, Keeley really was a genius.

He was a pneumatic genius that he had several devices that he had invented in his fraud that were unique in the pneumatic trade as it existed at that point. Pneumatism was, you know, like a science then. They were just really getting into it. They thought it was its own motive force, in a way, and so on and so on. So.

So anyway, so the guy made the statement that, you know, Keeley was just a pneumatic genius. There were two types of valves in there. Ended up they were getting. They got patented by other people, but as far as anybody can tell, he was the first to ever invent these. One of them was really interesting because it was interesting to me because it was a valve type I'd never seen before that used, fitted slivers of metal that would all collapse and fill the pipe if there was back pressure.

But as long as the pressure was headed out the way it should be, no worries, the pipe would stay open anyway. So Keely is a fraud and Terrence Howard runs into him. And I don't know that Terrence Howard is aware that Keely was a fraud. You almost have to investigate Keely as an individual because so many good articles appeared about him. So much stuff was written about him in the early days, and no one suspected duplicity, right?

They didn't expect that he was a fraud. So. So they. They thought all of this, these accolades were well deserved. And so nowadays, people looking at that, if they don't see the.

The attribution to the few reports after his death of him being a fraud, because he was dead, the scandal didn't persist. So it. It, you know, lasted. Maybe. Maybe there were people that were upset over the course of a year and then no more articles and that kind of thing.

So, anyway, so it's just a, you know, it's a. It's a real stew out there in the woo world, and you got to be careful about, you know, your sources and vet them. And also you have to vet the individuals because there is duplicity. And so this is one of the things that both Terrence Howard and Brett Weinstein don't have in their minds, and that is that, you know, you have to check to make sure you're not looking at a deliberate fraud if you're looking at any of this historical stuff.

But so, leaving that aside, Walter Russell is legit. Walter Russell and a lot of these other sources that he cited are, in fact, you know, are factually physicists and had good discoveries and wrote it all up and so on, from which he. Apparently, Terrence Howard has made a number of good or a number of patents. And this is really. We'll get back into the complexity of things here later, but this was, one of the things that is interesting is that Terrence Howard, in the talk with Joe Rogan, keeps coming up to the fact that, you know, none of these people are paying him for his patents, and yet they're citing his work.

Well, okay, so if they're citing it, it does not necessarily mean that they're basing their work on his, right. They may cite his to say why a particular aspect of their stuff works, and that's it. But not necessarily saying that they're using the same principles or techniques or whatever. You know, they cite. You have to cite prior art.

So, in other words, if I were going to invent something in the way of a new form of a rubber bullet, I wouldn't necessarily have to cite all of the patents, or at least the major patent on previous forms of a rubber bullet, just so that there's a point of departure, so to speak. And that's just the way the patents work. But something else that Terrence doesn't seem to grasp. He talked about had talked about his attorneys trying to milk him. He thought, with all these fees and shit all the time, time about his patents, and he finally abandoned this one.

But what he did not grasp was there's no benefit to a patent. A patent is basically quasi support from the government to sue somebody if you think they're using your idea. So you actually. No one's going to give you money just because you have a patent. On something.

It's very rare that anybody comes on in and wants to negotiate and give you money just because you have patented something. And we can all cite Reggie Middleton, who has most of the technology that's involved with cryptos patented. Yet no one's giving him money, and he's got to sue to enforce his patent. And that's what patents are for. You sue to enforce it.

So, of course, you're going to have lots and lots and lots of costs with attorneys. Now, I've had patents, all of which I've let lapse. So for the simple reason that I don't want to spend my time in court in defending them. And if you're not going to defend them, there's no point to have them basically, right? And there are other ways to have an invention, get it out there, make money on it, and not patent it.

Okay, so there's a lot of inventions that are basically first use, and you dominate the market. Right? So, anyway, so Terrence doesn't really, I think, understand the nature of what patents are supposed to be for at a social level. It's cool that he's got them all, and it's cool that he had money and could pay attorneys to put this all together. But if he expects the patents to ever yield anything, then he's going to have to sue, as has Reggie Middleton.

Okay, so, now, the issue of Walter Russell is one of the. That touches into the complexity thing, right? Complexity versus complicated. So, Keely's machines were complicated, lots of little pieces of stuff everywhere. He had to invent this, a terminology to describe it all, which he did.

And as I say, it was a fraud. It never really worked. That's why it all sounded like word salad. It sort of sounded like maybe it was, you know, conceptually, okay, conceptually, foundationally, you know, effective physics, that they were just starting to work out this in the 18 hundreds. His audience was not that sophisticated relative to physics, although they were far more sophisticated than I've seen current generations.

But nonetheless, that was a situation there. Keeley was just making money and was a fraud. So the complexity of our world is such that our world includes deliberate frauds. If you don't take that into account in your thinking, you're missing a huge, giant thing that can bite you in the ass.

Speaking of which, one of the. Okay, so one of the adherents of Keeley. And so this is like, maybe this is like, 1870s, something like that. It was before the Mitchelson Morley experiment. And because Keely was working with the ether, anyway, he dies.

The adherents raid his house. At least three of the engines that he had there are gone, and the investors are all upset, and so on. But there are these three inventions, or three of these engines, that are. That have been removed. And so the idea was that the adherents had, you know, they'd given him money and stuff.

They were like minor investors, like local guys and stuff. And the idea was that these people were going to go and finish them out themselves. One of these ends up in England. You can trace it all the way to actually trace it all the way to Russia, because the adherent guy, again, I think it was Philadelphia, had a warrant out for his arrest for theft this engine by the more senior investors, okay, the. The earlier ones or the ones with more money involved.

And so the guy beats feet to England, right, where he had originally been, been from, and he flees the states, taking this engine with him. And then you can trace it from where he goes to England, and he sells it to a russian prince, okay? And this was in the very late 18 hundreds, so maybe 1880, something like that. Anyway, so he sells this, um, the Keeley engine, uh, you know, and it doesn't work or anything, uh, to the, um, to the russian prince. But this guy has an adherent.

He sort of keeps the scam going by repeating and writing down a lot of shit. For the Russians to make this engine work. Well, they duplicate the engine with the intent. They made a big fucker with the intent of driving a train with it. They were just getting into trains in Russia at that point in a serious way.

So there's a test track that's built. They build one of the engines, Keeley's engines, they put it into a. On a. On a train chassis, and are, you know, trying to make the fucker work. And, of course, it doesn't, right?

There's absolutely nothing you can do to make this engine work, because it was a fraud. It didn't work. It was just, you know, some spinning air or some compressed air that made it spin in the house. And this is why, because of the compressed air, Keely would never, ever, ever let anybody touch his engines while they were running. You could come close, you could look, but you had to stand back behind these ropes and stuff.

And he said. Keely said it was because if a human touched or any life touched the engine, it would be instantly destroyed, right? Instantly killed because of the nature of this new motive force that would leap out of the engine and strike you dead kind of a deal, sort of like an electrified surface. He was trying to get that idea across. They knew about electricity and stuff.

You know, they had laden jars and all these kind of things and static charges. So they were somewhat familiar with that. And so he was trying to piggyback off of that idea that it was dangerous because of. Right. So anyway, the guy in Russia ends up spending a lot of money and nothing results.

And that's basically the end of Keeley, which is in the 1890s. You hear about the train engine being sold off, and then that's as far as you can trace any of these Keeley Motors. And the train engine was sold by the russian guy, and we don't know where it went, but still very interesting that they actually did that and built it now. And his stuff was complicated. Now, Walter Russell's stuff is complex and comes across as seemingly very simple.

So, you know, if you see a. We know that cells are highly complex. So it's difficult for us to imagine seeing something, you know, like a cell structure initially. And your initial thought of it is that it's a relatively simple thing. And then the more you get into it, you discover it's a relatively simple thing that has an incredibly intricate and involved part of a very complex process.

So it's deep in complexity, but is its appearance is simple. And you will see that this is the case all over. So it's not. Water is not complicated, but it is extremely complex. So it's really kind of a stupid thing to say, but, you know, on the face of it, most complexity looks simple.

So anyway, so this is where we get, in my opinion, anyway, get a lot of the problems that the cartesian crowd, the educated academics that are still thinking that Descartes had achieved something, which he had. I mean, you know, but straight lines, as like terence Howitz said, they don't make it. We don't have straight lines in universe. So anyway, though, this. The level of complexity.

Complexity and complicated, they are entirely different critters and are easily discerned that they are different there. Okay, so I've got a stop here. I'll call this a. Wait a second. Okay, I'm back.

I had to stop there for a minute.

Anyway, so Brett Weinstein was critical of Terrance. He didn't investigate. I don't think Brett knows about Keely or any of these other issues. I don't think he's ever read Walter Russell maybe has. I don't know.

He's old enough. He could have come across it in his youth. Anyway, though, he criticizes Terrence and saying that, you know, he's intelligent but crazy. Right. So anyway, complexity is difficult to get your head wrapped around.

And once you see it, then you say, oh, this is a complex thing. I need to investigate this in a different way than a complicated thing, right? So a complicated thing, you take apart the thing and you separate it into its constituent components, and then you examine each of the components, right? You do not do that as a way of examining complex systems, a complex thing, because it is a system. And all of this shit needs to interoperate.

So if you take something out of that system in order to examine it, then it is essentially not the system anymore until you put it back there, if you can, right? And usually in a complex thing, you cannot do that. So humans have examined complexity, and basically as though it was complications, as though it was a complicated device.

And so this leads us to many different erroneous conclusions about stuff which, you know, I mean, this is not an unknown concept. It's just interesting that we're coming up to this at this particular point, that we're coming up to this at the point of hypernovelty intruding on all of us as a result of living in a complex system, which is our solar system, in the material within the universe. And now we're starting to see just how complex it is, because that complexity is being demonstrated by ourselves, acting within our own humanity. So very few people actually examine themselves in their own behavior, in that regard, as an aspect of a complex system. And it's really fascinating to do so, for me, anyway.

Probably a lot of people just don't give a shit.

Crap. So this place where I'm at here where I live, they've got a lot of sawmills and plywood mills and stuff. And when they middle of the night is when they take these loads out of the mills and put them on the road and head them out to delivery all the sheets of plywood and stuff. So they're these big semi trucks, heavily loaded, that you have to accommodate as you're going down the road here in the middle of the night. I've driven this road in the late.

Several times. And it's. And it's the same all the time when you come up to this particular spot anyway.

So complications, as a rule, are easily disassembled and frequently difficult to understand. Now, they're not usually as difficult as complex systems to understand, but they can be extremely difficult to dig into.

That's probably pretty much it. We live in a complex system. We're part of it. We can't really separate ourselves from it. It's stupid to do so in my opinion, and we need to take our own selves into account as we examine and deal with our reality, because we are part of it here.

This is part of the major difference between the reductionist cartesian approach that the academics use and where they're attempting to take things out to be able to examine them. And the more holistic idea of examining a complex system as a system, drilling in and seeing how it all works before you start looking at any of the individual components of it and seeing how they function. It's just a different approach to things, right? And so that's kind of what the woo people are doing, is seeing the complex system as a whole. And so if you do see the complex system as a whole, then you can pick out as lots of us woo guys did pick out instantly that the whole Covid thing was not what they were saying.

And it instantly became apparent that our complex system would not behave this way. Developing these complications and turning into a complicated system as a natural product of what was going on, it instantly told you that someone was working an agenda.

Again, deliberate deception. So if you look at things at a level of complexity versus complications, and you see that a complex system is being made to resemble a complicated one, that you can examine and deal with the individual parts in that relationship, then you know that there's some kind of a scam going on. And this is how I deal with the climate. Shit, you know, climate is extremely complex. These fuckers are saying you can take out one little element, carbon dioxide, and that's the key to it all.

That's complicated thinking, right? That there's a single part within the overall machine that can be taken out and addressed individually, that will alter all of the other problems parameters in terms of changing the nature of your machine. And complex systems don't work that way. That's complication. Complication is basically simple systems put on each other, laid on top of each other, where you can remove them in layers.

Complexity is scalular. It scales so as above, so below. And so the complexity is basically the expression or evidence of design patterns emerging out of reality. Anyway, guys, I gotta go now. I got a serious driving.

I gotta get moving and get things going. And I've got a bunch of these large trucks. And also I need to suck down a lot of coffee, so I'll. Maybe I'll do another one of these later. I've got several hours left anyway.

I'll post this when I get back.