Carlson Interview with Rep. Thomas Massie - 06-07-2024

Do you know James Carville? Yes. So he got stuck at a roast one time when we worked together in New Orleans and had to take a leak. And it was on C SPAN. And on the tape, which I have seen, he's sitting there and he's kind of shuffling in his seat.

All of a sudden, he takes this water pitcher off the table and sort of sticks a leak in the water. Oh, gosh.

So what, what is that thing moving on your lapel, on your pocket? That's the debt. That's my anxiety generator. So it's actually making me really anxious. Is that, is that real time?

Yes. So it's synced to treasury. It gets the debt to the penny once a day, and then it looks at what the debt was a year ago, and it comes up with rolling average debt per second. And it interpolates on weekends and holidays when the, when the treasury is not paying attention. I am.

So I think you're the only one who wants to know. Yes. And I want my colleagues to know. And it's great to wear this thing in an elevator with, like, Adam Schiff, and he's got nowhere to look. I once caught a female congresswoman staring at it and had to tell her my eyes were up here.

She asked me why I didn't make a belt buckle out of it. Can you say who it was? Because I like, no, I cannot. Oh, well, she's funny. That's very impressive.

So what's the message of it? The message is, this is urgent. You know, it's hard to comprehend 14 digits of debt, but when you see the last five digits are moving so fast you can't perceive them with your eyes, then you kind of understand, whoa, we got a problem here. I mean, it's $100,000 a second, roughly. So imagine we had this catapult and we were launching cybertrucks once a second into the ocean.

That's how much debt we're taking on continuously. Now, there is some good news. I noticed last month it went down. And I'm like, is my debt clock broken? Why is it going down?

And then I realized, oh, it's April 15. Everybody's paying their taxes. So the good news is we balanced it for a month. The bad news is April 15 is the only reason that happened. And now the debt's going back up again.

So maybe it's when it gets so big, it becomes something that you have to ignore. It's almost like if you fall off the wagon from drinking, you binge. If you fall off your new year's diet. You just eat the pizza and the Ben and Jerry. It's like, why do you care?

You sort of go crazy, and it feels like we're there. I am trying to make people feel very uncomfortable. I wear this on the floor of the house, and people, literally, they'll press the button that says yay or nay. I've argued we should relabel the voting button. Spend and don't spend.

Yeah, they're red and green. If you got that far and can't read. I say it's like, stop and go. But I've seen people press the spend button, then turn around and look at my debt badge and ask, did it just go up? But I want them to realize there are consequences to what they're doing, because they have been, I think, as you said, just ignoring it, putting it off to the side.

It almost feels like, you know, it's so big that why even deal with it? That's where we are. We kind of. I think a lot of lawmakers are apathetic. They're like, well, we can't fix it.

We're not going to fix it. We might as well indulge in it, and I'll see what I can get. Well, exactly. Yeah. So where does it end?

Right now, we're able to finance it because we're the world's reserve currency. And when we print more money, which we're doing all the time, the Fed is doing that, we're actually taxing the world. Everybody in the world who holds dollars gets, like, a 3% transaction fee. I say we're kind of like the credit card at the gas station that gets 3% because you're using that credit card. Well, we get 3% from inflation.

We. Cause because the world is using our currency. And we can do that as long as they use our currency. But I think it's going to end at some point, they're going to quit using our dollars as reserve currency. I mean, I watched your interview with Putin, and one of the things, whether you hate him or nothing, one of the things he said that is true is when we sanctioned him, before we sanctioned Russia, 70% of their transactions were in us dollars.

And after the sanctions, it's less than 20% of their transactions are in us dollars. So what we're doing with all these sanctions, ironically, we're shooting ourselves in the foot. Every time we sanction a country and say, you can't use our currency to have a transaction, we're taking away our ability to charge them 3% for that transaction. Because when we print 3% more dollars. We're just taking that money.

And we're also sending a really clear signal, which is the dollar is not safe for you. Right? It's the reserve currency because it's a safe haven, because it's a stable country. It's the most stable country in the world. And we're not going to weaponize the dollar because that would be shooting ourselves.

But suddenly we are. And they'll tolerate, like, 3% because we're not backed by dollars. We're backed by aircraft carriers right now. So they'll sort of tolerate that 3%. But one of the things we recently did in Congress, we passed something called the Repo act, where we said, we're just going to seize all of Russia's sovereign assets in the United States.

Well, it turns out a lot of that is treasury debt that they've agreed to buy so that they can hold dollars. And here's the problem with that. When people see that we've seized their money that they gave us in exchange for these treasury notes, then other countries won't want to buy our debt. It's already happening. And the price of a long term bond that the treasury puts out, it's already gone above 4%.

It's like, over 4.5%. And they don't want to buy them anymore because we probably wouldn't seize Great Britain's assets. But I could see a seizing China's assets. Why would. I mean, that seems like theft.

Just like, take a country's assets. I mean, that belongs to the people of the country, right? As such, as Putin, it is theft. Like, it's immoral. But even if you're okay with the amorality or immorality of it, it's short sighted because eventually it'll catch up with us.

So do any of the dumbos you work with understand that? Did you say, wait a second. If we do this, first of all, it's wrong. And if we're going to be a beacon of light and order and justice in the world, we should abide by those principles. But even if you don't care about the.

Even if, as you said, you're immoral, like, it's self defeating to do this, do they understand that? Some of them understand it, but it doesn't matter. They'll still vote for something like the repo act anyway because it's popular. And with whom? With voters.

They think, yeah, take Russia's money. Like, you know, let's take. Yeah, that'd be great. Let's take their money and use it, in a war against them, it kind of feels good. But the problem is it's, it's not moral in the long run, and it won't work in the long run.

Even if you were okay with it, why are we in a war with Russia? I've never figured that out. Why Russia? It almost seems like they picked it off a matt. Like, why would it be at war with Russia?

You know, what's interesting is we were in Afghanistan, and I was tracking this. I talked to the special inspector general, John Sopko, about twice a year about the money that was being wasted in Afghanistan. It was about $50 billion a year. And I was glad to see us get out of Afghanistan. But kind of like feathering the clutch and shifting gears, we just went from second gear to third gear, because as soon as we quit spending $50 billion a year in Afghanistan, we started spending more than $50 billion a year in Ukraine.

There's a military industrial complex. They call it the defense industrial base. Now, in the United States, they say we have to, they're hungry and we got to keep them fed. And since we don't have any of our own wars and we don't have a reason to deplete our stocks and our bombs and weapons that we have, we engage in these other things to keep them healthy and thriving. In fact, the Biden administration even made that argument in a letter to Congress for why we should do this.

Supplemental foreign aid to Israel, to Ukraine, to Taiwan. They made the argument that the defense industrial base needs to be strong and so we need to spend this money. And they gave a list of all the states in the United States that would benefit from this spending, and that's why they said we should do it. But if you're, if. I mean, look, everyone who lives here wants to be proud of the country.

I always have been, and I'm proud of its people still. But if your main export is death, you know that, I mean, what, it doesn't work in the long run. I mean, there is blowback. Wrong. We're engendering a lot of ill will.

Look, ten years ago, even more recently than that, the only way we could get to the space station was on a russian rocket. Right? And we, you know, we had a collaboration with them. We were able to get to space that way. And now we don't.

I mean, it's. And the bad thing that's, like, in the Middle East, Israel's creating tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who are going to hate the United States. And they're going to hate Israel also. But because we're giving Israel the weapons to do what they're doing, we're creating a lot of people who hate us in this country, but we're told that it's essential to our national security to do that. Do you believe that?

No, I don't see that. I mean, one of the reasons, like I said, the Biden letter said, well, we need to keep our industrial base strong, so let's fund all these weapons and send them over. But I don't see how it's strengthening our country. In fact, we're getting weaker by doing it. So you've been, I think, the lone Republican to dissent from a lot of these votes.

Can you. How many votes have there been on this question and where have you voted on them? I've tried to keep track. There were something like 18 votes on Ukraine and I voted against every one of them since, like, 2014 when we started saber rattling. We do these non binding resolutions, whereas Russia's evil, whereas we support democracy.

Now. Even then, we knew that Ukraine was just corrupt as hell. But, like, the most corrupt country in Europe by far. Yeah. So I started, you know, there's been 16 or 20 votes on Ukraine.

I've been against all of those. Just in the last seven months, there have been probably 30 votes on Israel in the middle East. 30, 30. There were somebody. How many votes on the US border during that time?

Maybe, maybe four. Show votes that, you know where we know they're going? Nowhere in the Senate. Look, we haven't named 30 post offices. Last month.

We voted like 15 or 16 times on issues related to Israel. And I've been hit because I voted no on all of those. Why do you? Because you hate Israel? Or is there another reason?

No, because I'm against sending our money overseas. I'm against starting another proxy war. I'm against sanctions because it's going to weaken the dollar. I'm for free speech. Like, all of these resolutions run afoul of those things, and that's why I can't vote for them.

Tell us what the free speech part of it. So recently they brought a bill to Congress, and this was actually a binding bill, not a non binding resolution. This was going to have the effect of law and people would get prosecuted if they engaged in anti semitism on campuses. And the problem with this bill is they use some international definition of anti semitism on a website somewhere. My first question is, why don't you just put the definition in the bill?

Why are you pointing to somebody's URL in a piece of legislation. You are the Congress, right? Right. We are the Congress. Write the laws.

We should be. Instead, we're referencing a website that's not even hosted in the United States. So I went to this website, and it's got a, you know, fairly short definition, but it's also got examples of things that would be considered antisemitism. And some of these are actually passages in the New Testament, if you will, would be banned by this international definition of antisemitism. For instance, saying that Jews killed Jesus, which is, you know, in the Bible, he was, he was not welcome among his own people.

Okay. And so that would be anti semitism. And if you engaged in that on campus or just offered that as a thought, let's say, in a classroom, you would be antisemitic and you would run afoul of the department of education and some federal laws. And there were other examples in there that were hard to believe. For instance, comparing the policies of Israel to the nazi regime would be anti semitic.

But the question is, what if they're, what if their policies ever became the same? Is this a static definition or what if we just have different opinions and your opinion is now a crime, right? I mean, even if it's abhorrent, even if it's wrong and stupid, yeah, it's still legal. It should be. You may have come to the obvious conclusion that the real debate is not between republican and Democrat or socialist and capitalists.

Right, left. The real battles between people who are lying on purpose and people who are trying to tell you the truth. It's between good and evil. It's between honesty and falsehood. And we hope we are on the former side.

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Oh, yeah, it passed with flying colors. But at least a few people woke up to this. I mean, so, but the members of Congress who, you know, go to church on Sunday, who just voted to ban the New Testament on campus, make it illegal to quote from the New Testament, the Christian Bible. Like, how did they square that?

I think their voters let them get away with it. I mean, they don't have to square it unless they're. But why would they want to do something like that? Because there's a lot of pressure in Congress to vote for these things. And our republican leadership thinks they're so smart.

You know, we're in an election year and they want to bring up issues. They want to put them in front of Congress and make us vote on them, whether they're going anywhere in the Senate or not. And they want to split the Democrats. They want to show that Republicans are united and then split the Democrats. That's one of the reasons they do it.

Another reason they do it is there's a foreign interest group called AIPAC that's, you know, got the ear of this current speaker and demanded 16 votes in April on, on Israel or the Middle east. We haven't had 16 votes in April on the United States Congress. So what's AIPAC? AIPAC is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. And they didn't start out as a PAC in the sense of a political action committee, but now they have a political action committee.

Ostensibly, it's a group of Americans who lobby on behalf of Israel there for anything Israel. And they're a very effective lobbying group. They get in there, they, uh, they try to get me to write a white paper as a candidate, for instance, for Congress. They almost get on what? On Israel?

Like, and I wouldn't do it. And they said, why? And I'm like, I don't do homework for lobbyists. Right? I'm like, I didn't learn.

I didn't like writing term papers at college. I'm not writing one for you. What did they say? They said, oh, well, here, just copy Rand Paul's term paper and put your name on it. We'll accept that.

I'm like, no, I'm still not cribbing somebody else's homework to do homework. I'm not turning in my homework for you.

You're laughing. But you know what? I bet I may be the only Republican in Congress who hasn't done homework for AIPAC. And it's just what it is, it's conditioning. They want you to do something very simple and benign and, you know, for them, they don't really, they don't really grade your term paper.

They just want to know that you'll do something for them. And if you'll do something for them as a candidate, you're more likely to do something for them as a congressman when you get in there. So this, my rift started out in 2012 when I refused to turn in. And Israel, how did you respond to that? They kind of got in my race a little too late there in the beginning.

Because it was hard to tell that I was actually going to win. And when they saw I was going to win, that's when they tried to get me to do the term paper. They didn't have a political action committee at the time. They couldn't spend hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars against me at that time. It was just sort of like a whisper campaign to try to, hey, don't vote for him, blah, blah, blah.

Because at that point they sensed I wouldn't do what they wanted when I. But what did they whisper against you? What were they saying about you? Well, they would do it through, for instance, churches, evangelical churches. They've got an organization called Christians United for Israel.

We sort of co opted evangelicals. People think it's a grassroots movement in Kentucky. It's actually a top down movement from AIPAc. So that people who aren't even jewish will feel like they've got to support Israel no matter what. And even if it's a secular state that funds abortions, they just sort of forget that part.

And we've got to fund Israel so they have networks. So it's more than just about the money. So you get elected despite their efforts, and then what happens? Do you talk to them after that? And by the way, let me just put a little footnote here.

I'm not against Israel. I've never voted to sanction Israel. I've never said anything particularly critical of Israel other than, for instance, right now they're bombing. They've killed 1% of the civilian population in Gaza. That's concerning to me.

So what do they do now? You get elected 2012. Do you hear from them again? I vote my conscience, which they won't tolerate. So they ran with their 501 before they had a super PAC.

They were running educational advocacy ads against me saying that, you know, I'm bad on Israel. They didn't say don't vote for him. They just said he's a bad guy. And so I said, all right, well, you're not welcome in my office anymore because for years I invited him into my office. Let's talk this through.

Let me explain to you. I'm a libertarian leaning Republican. I don't vote for foreign aid for anybody. So don't be offended when I don't vote for your foreign aid. I don't vote for wars anywhere, so don't be offended if I do that.

I'm for free speech, even if it's abhorrent. And, you know, we used to talk, but now they're banned from my office. The situation went from bad to worse this election cycle, they spent $400,000 against me, $90,000 last fall, running tv ads in my district, and Facebook ads and whatnot, trying to equate me with the squad. And then this, most recently, in fact, as I'm speaking to you today, even though my election is over, they're still running hundreds of negative ad. It's a little weird, though, because, as you said, you're probably the only Republican in the House who hasn't done homework for them, who isn't on their side.

And that's okay. I mean, you can have. You know, you're a libertarian oriented Republican from northern Kentucky. You're probably not going to single handedly determine our foreign policy. So I think you should.

But you don't, and you're not going to. So why do they care? Why not just let Thomas Massey be Thomas Massey? Adorn the Kentucky? Like, why the need to crush you?

I don't know. I think it's. They don't want one horse out of the barn. If one person starts speaking the truth, they're afraid it could be contagious, perhaps, or it's like a new car. They go to Mike Johnson and they say, we want a Cadillac, you know, Escalade with pearl white paint, and here's the rims we want.

And Mike Johnson puts that bill on the floor. It passes with a unanimous vote, except for one guy votes no. And I think they feel like it's a scratch on their car. They wanted a brand new car, and it got scratched by this guy named Massey. They were going to drive it over to the Senate and ask for unanimous consent, but now the senators are saying, wait, why?

This wasn't unanimous in the House. Why should we do it unanimously in the Senate? And it starts raising questions. And I think that's why they get mad. What I find interesting is that it's not just that they disagree with your views, which they do.

And I think they have an absolute right to disagree with anybody's views. We all do. But they've called you a bigot, and they call you an anti semite and say you're a hater and try to destroy your character. That seems like a very different level of response to me. Right?

There's no need to do that. I'm not anti semitic. I don't have an anti semitic era in my head. Okay? It's.

I mean, I don't like Aipac anymore. Like, I used to be neutral toward AIPac, right? But I have no antagonistic feelings toward jewish people. I am the last thing. I think I'm probably the least xenophobic person in Congress.

I mean, these are the guys my colleagues wanna sanction everybody, you know, declare them terrorist states, you know, come up with these strongly worded resolutions. I don't go for any of that crap. Right? I. I'll.

Unless somebody does harm to me, I'm not gonna call them anything. So I get called names just for staying out of all of this political posture. That's disgusting, though, isn't it? You know, I guess that's your character. They can disagree with your views, but to call you, like, the worst thing you can be in America, like, that's disgusting.

You know, I have a thick skin, apparently. And here's the good news, Tucker. My constituents aren't falling for it. Two weeks ago, I just had a primary and got 76% of the vote with AIPAC running hundreds of ads. So it's not working against me.

I think it's short sighted on their side to do this. They're just burning money, but they're trying to make an example of me. But they're also exposing their weakness. I think they are. I think they've exposed a real weakness here.

You know, it used to be just me voting against some of these resolutions, but recently, where they tried to ban passages in the New Testament, I think we got, like, almost two dozen republicans who said, wait, hold on. There's a question, though. There's a fundamental question. So the Biden administration has put a bunch of people in jail for violating something called Fara. The Foreign Agent Registration Act, 1936 ish.

It's been on the books for, you know, 90 years, and it's never been enforced ever. Until recently, until, really, the Trump era and Biden era, so. But the law requires people who lobby on behalf of foreign governments to register. It was that simple. And this is the largest lobby in the most effective lobby in the United States on behalf of foreign government.

Are they registered with Farah? They are not, but they should be. Well, how can that. How can that be? How can they put Paul Manafort in jail, which they did on a Fara violation, and a bunch of other people in jail on Farrah violations.

But the largest and most effective and most feared foreign lobby working for a foreign government doesn't have to register under the law. That's insane. Oh, man. Don't make me take their side. But I'll explain as best as I can what they're arguing.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they should take their side. I don't know. Well, I'm going to agree with you at a second, but let me at least offer what I think is their argument. They would say, we are Americans, the members of AIPAC are Americans, and that they have the right to free speech.

Paul Manafort's an American. Right. Right. Yeah. So there's.

The good rebuttal is far applies not to foreigners, to foreign agents. Right. Of foreign principles. Agents of foreign principles. Americans lobbying on behalf of foreign government.

Correct. So this is a PAC is exactly what far is meant for. Now, they would say. And we have a First Amendment right. Okay, well, I agree with you there, but we also have election laws and it's disclosure.

Right? They're not. Fara doesn't say. You can't say, Thomas Massey's an ignorant hillbilly. You're allowed to say that if you want to.

But we just want to check where your money's coming from. Tell us where it's coming from, what you're spending it on, and if you are lobbying on behalf of a foreign country. So they should be. Now, to your point, they should be registered with Farae. This is what Fara is, is where there's gray area where it's an American representing a foreign country.

Let's look and see if you're getting any money from that foreign country. Are you a dual citizen with that foreign country? Are you being directed by, for instance, is Netanyahu speaking to your group, advising you on your next move? Are you getting money from the military industrial complex? Because to understand AIPAC, I think it's easiest to model them as a military industrial lobby.

Like, their biggest thing is they want more equipment, more military equipment from the United States going to Israel. In fact, when they used to be allowed in my office, the argument they would make is, oh, we're just simulating the us military industrial complex, because every single penny of the 3.8 billion that they nominally get, now, they're getting way more than that. But that Israel nominally gets goes to us military contractors. Now, that didn't make me warm and fuzzy, okay? But that is their argument.

And if you notice what they advocate for, I think sometimes they advocate for things that even Israelis wouldn't advocate for. I believe that, like, they would, I think, be okay with a war with Iran, like an all out, you know, apocalyptic war with Iran, whereas there are people and Israel say, whoa, hold on a second, we'd rather not have a war with Iran. But AIPAC does things that lead us in that direction. And so they're kind of like what the NRA is to gun owners. AIPAC is to Israel, or what the farm bureau is to farmers.

AIPAC is to Israel. And other represents a faction. Right. They represent a faction, but usually a corporate faction that. And they're using the imprimatur of grassroots that they've deluded or confused into bullying congressmen.

And the NRA does that and farm bureau does that. I'm picking on some other right wing groups here for sure. And by the way, I think there are probably a lot of things that AIPAC is for, that I'm for. And farm Bureau, NRA, same thing. The idea of a foreign government playing in our political campaigns openly.

Openly in that they are showing you they're doing it, but opaquely in that you can't track it because they're not registered. Is there any other Republican who has your views on this? Why have Republicans who come to me on the floor and say, I wish I could vote with you today, yours is the right vote, but I would just take too much flak back home. And I have Republicans who come to me and say, that's wrong, what AIPAC is doing to you. Let me talk to my AIPac person.

By the way, everybody but me has an AIPAC person. What's that mean, an APAC person? It's like your babysitter, your AIPac babysitter who is always talking to you for AIPAc. They're probably a constituent in your district, but they are, you know, firmly embedded in AIPAC. And every member has something like this.

Every. I don't know how it works on the Democrat side, but that's how it works on the republican side. And when they. And when they come to DC, you go have lunch with them and they've got your cell number and you have conversations with them. So I've had, like.

That's absolutely crazy. I've had four members of Congress say, I'll talk to my AIPAC person, and it's literally what we call them. My AIPAC guy. I'll talk to my APEC guide, see if I can get them to dial those ads back. Why have I never heard this before?

It doesn't benefit anybody. Why would they want to tell their constituents that? They've basically got a buddy system with somebody who's representing a foreign country. It doesn't benefit the congressman for people to know that. So they're not going to tell you that.

Have you seen any other country do anything like this? Like Russia? Russia obviously determines the outcome of our elections. We keep hearing that. Does anyone have a Putin guy that they talk to?

Speaker one. Not only do they not have a Putin guy. Look, they don't. They. They don't have a Britain guy, they don't have an australian guy.

They, you know, they don't have a Germany dude. Like, it's the only country that does this that has somebody that, like, uniformly, I guarantee there's some spreadsheet at AIPAC where, where, you know, the. The AIPAC dude is who's matched up with the congressman is there, and then all the congressman's votes on the issue. Oh, has the congressman been to Israel? They, they pay for trips for congressmen and their spouses to go to Israel.

I may be. I mean, I don't. I'm not the only Republican who hasn't taken the AIPAC trip to Israel, but I'm probably one of a dozen that hasn't taken that trip, and the other ones just haven't got around to it. What's the trip like? Do you know?

It's kind of like, I think vacation. Y. You go see the wall, you go see the, you know, the sites, things like that. It's such a great, I must say, it's such a great country. Jerusalem, especially, is just such a wonderful place that that's got to have a big effect.

You go, like, swim in the Dead Sea. Yeah. Yeah, I've done that. Yeah. Not on an Apec trip, but I would recommend it to anyone.

Paid for it myself. No, I mean, it's. It's just funny. I mean, I am a, like a legit lover of Israel, of the place Israel. I like the people, and I love the food, and, like, the whole thing is so great.

Look, they had, they. But that's distinct from the government of Israel, which is a foreign government. My sense is the people are very entrepreneurial. Yeah. That they're publicly minded.

You know, they care about their country, that they're generally good people. Right. That's certainly been my experience in trips there, for sure. It's great. It's just that's.

I mean, I think it's probably one of my favorite, maybe my all time favorite place to go with my family, but that's just a completely different thing from taking orders from its government. Right. I mean, right now, again, they'll say it's. These are american citizens who are, you know, coordinating all. Yes.

Just, again, this is almost a rhetorical question, but in, you're 1214 years in Congress. Twelve years. Have you ever seen any indication that Russia is influencing election outcomes or candidates or members? Not. Not in a quiet way, like, you know, they'll put out statements.

Russia obviously has. Russia today RT. Yeah, I think it's been banned. But I like Kentucky fried chicken, of which I'm a big fan, being from Kentucky. Kentucky, right.

They realized that fried was, became sort of a pejorative and they want to eat fried food. So they changed the name to KFC. So you don't have to say fried. Okay. Russia today changed their name to RT, so you don't have to say Russia.

But there's a strong analogy there. But I mean, there are efforts. You'd be a fool to think that they're not trying to influence things here just like we are there. You know, we have, what is it? Radio free Europe and voice of America.

We have, I mean, we spend a billion dollars, well over a billion dollars on the foreign propaganda that's out in the open that we know about. Right. So there are foreigners spending money on propaganda over here as well. I don't want to say they're not involved, but people don't say, oh, I need to go talk to my Russia guy. But you've never, like in the cloakroom or on the floor or at dinner, you've never heard another republican member say, love to vote for this, but Putin doesn't want me to.

I have never heard that you have. What about China? No, there's, I mean, unless it's a spy sleeping with a Democrat. I'm sure there's some of that going on. Yeah, but that's not, that's not in public.

So how do you think. It's just interesting because you're clearly not a bigot. I think it's very obvious. And they've called you one and they've spent millions of dollars against you over the years and it has had no effect get reelected in the primary in the seventies. So, like, why are they still spending against you and in your state statewide?

And can you just continue to serve in Congress while disobeying? Well, they say that they don't want me to run statewide. They're worried that I'll run for McConnell's seat. And so they're trying to send me a message. That's what they would tell you.

But what, why? I don't know what the message is. Maybe it's a little presumptuous to decide. I've never said that I'm running for the seat in it. Right.

Yeah, I, I'm pretty much disinterested in it personally and publicly. But just in case they're running ads statewide now, mind you, there are six congressional districts in Kentucky and I only represent one of them. They're running the ads in all six congressional districts, just in case. Amazing. What do you think of Mitch McConnell after all these years of being in the delegation with him?

He's a shrewd guy. Yep. He's quick. He's, let me give you an example of how quick he is. So we had a congressman, Jamie Comer, who's now chair of the oversight committee.

He got elected in a special election, which means you come in in the middle of a term and you have to boot up with no staff. And so it's kind of disorienting. So Mitch McConnell had an event for Jamie Comer on his first day in Congress. It was in a townhouse with, like, 200 lobbyists, by the way, I'm never going to get invited to one of these now that I tell you the story. So Jamie's there and McConnell goes, I believe Jamie took his first vote tonight, and that is such a perfect imitation.

And I wasn't supposed to speak, but I interrupted Senator McConnell, who was at the time the majority leader, and I said, yes, Senator McConnell, he did take his first vote. And I know he has no staff. So I advise Jamie, when you walk into the chamber, look at how I vote and then vote the other way, and you'll be just fine. And every, you know, 200 lobbyists thought it was a pretty good joke and they were laughing. And as the laughter died down, McConnell goes, well, Thomas, I'm glad you and I are giving Jamie the same advice.

And then the place, just the walls almost. No, he's good. He's funny. So. But I think it's time for new leadership in the Senate.

I mean, he's obviously, it's way past time, and this is just a fact. I'll say it. I'll get in trouble for saying it. You know, I'm in races in Kentucky, so we poll things in case, you know, we poll Trump's popularity. We poll the senator's popularity in case they get involved in your race.

And Senator McConnell's favorabilities are lower among republican primary voters than our Democrat governors favor abilities. Seriously? Yes. Lower than Governor Bashir. Yeah.

Bashir is around 40% among republican primary voters and McConnell's around 30%. Well deserved. Well deserved, sue. I'm glad to hear that because I like Kentucky and I think it's, its voters are sensible. What do you think accounts for in the final months and years of his and public career, his public statements that all that matters is Ukraine.

Like, what is that? I have no idea. By the way, I have so many fights in the house that I try to avoid every fight in the Senate that I can, and you're trying to draw me in. And I love you and I'll indulge these questions. But for twelve years, my strategy has been pick my fights in the House.

Smart. Let Rand Paul and Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and, you know, JD Vance, Rick Scott, let those guys figure out the Senate because I haven't been able to fix the House. So I'm damn sure not going to be able to fix the Senate. But it's just interesting, okay, taking McConnell out of it and even the Senate out of it. But some of the committee chairmen in the House, for example, seem like Ukraine is all that matters to them.

And there's, of course, the question is, you noted, of donations from Lockheed, etcetera, the military industrial complex. But it almost seems messianic to me. It seems heartfelt to me. It seems sincere that they think that this is all that matters, winning this war against Russia. Do you have any sense of why they feel that way?

I don't. And the hardest ones to understand are people like Mike Johnson, who used to be against sending more money to Ukraine. But now that he's the speaker, like you said, he seems strongly convicted that we should be sending money there. Almost like it's a religious calling or something. I mean, it seems totally real to me.

It doesn't seem fake. I've heard the argument, I think it's immoral, but I've heard the argument that, oh, this is a great deal. We just spend money and we're grinding up Russia's capacity to wage war, particularly lots of Russians are dying. And so we're told that's a good thing. Since the cold war began, we've been taught that it would be good for Russia to be diminished.

But they've gone so far as to say Russians dying to the tune of 300,000 casualties, they say is just such a great thing that we need to keep this thing going. And my answer to that is, why don't you tell us the ukrainian casualties? I have been in classified settings with CIA, the secretary of state, secretary of defense, not their assistants, but those people in the room. And they're bragging about how many Russians have died and been injured. And I asked them how many Ukrainians have died and been injured, and they claimed they didn't know.

I mean, that's just a flat out lie. And they said they would get back to me and they've never gotten back to me. Not only are Americans being fed propaganda about this war? Congress is being fed propaganda by our State department and our secretary of defense and our intelligence agencies. And you can just ask a few questions.

In these classified hearings. If nothing else, my colleagues should be convicted of a lack of curiosity. They sit there and they believe everything they're told, because these are supposed to be the authorities and they know things we don't. But you can expose them with two or three questions, like, how many Ukrainians have died and they refuse to answer. I've asked that very same question to Mike Johnson, actually, directly, but I've also asked him and a number of committee chairman, just in personal conversations.

Do you believe your intel briefings? Because only a child would believe an intel briefing. Take it at face value. There may be truth in there, maybe largely true, but you're being spun. You're being manipulated.

And if you don't know that, then you're a moron. But they seem to believe them. They. Because they have no other reference. And then here's what else happens, Tucker.

When you go into a classified setting, like a skiff, you lock up your phone, you take off your fitbit, you take every electronic device. They even make me take off my debt badge. What? Yeah, I know. Do you feel naked?

I feel exposed. I do feel naked. If I'm not wearing this, I've been wearing it for a year, every day of my life. Okay, but they make you. They strip you of every outside reference.

Okay? And now your staff is not allowed in that meeting either. Remember, congressmen, our primary roles are like, raising money, being friendly to constituents, you know, putting on a good face, campaigning. And then, you know, once a day or maybe twice a day, we roll in there and press the vote buttons based on what staff advises you. Well, when you go into a skiff, you don't have your smartphone, so you're not very smart.

They start using acronyms that you don't know. Remember what the acronym stands for? You can't just like, okay, what are. What's the IDGFBZ? I don't know, man.

I must be stupid. Like, but, you know, if you were in a regular setting, you just pull your phone out and like, oh, okay, that's what that is. I know what that is. And then you also can't ask your staff a question while you're in that setting. You know, we have legislative staffers who handle certain specific areas.

Of course, you can't bring them in. And then when you go back to the office, you can't tell them what you heard. So it's really quite an experience. It's sort of. It's, you know, it's a deprivation experience of any outside reference.

So it's designed to produce Stockholm syndrome, it sounds like. Yes. And when you get in there, they really don't give you classified information. I say there's three levels of classification in the skiff. There's Facebook level, there's Twitter level, and there's New York Times level, and the New York Times level is the highest level of classification.

I mean, you're getting to the good stuff when they're telling you what's in the New York Times that week. Have you ever heard anything you thought was genuinely secret? Occasionally, just a few times. And obviously, I can't say what that is. They slip up and commit candor occasionally in there, and you're like, whoa, I didn't know that.

You know, nothing like what's at Area 51, right? But occasionally you're just like, what do people think is at Area 51, by the way? I don't know. I'm not a. You guys passed this law, the UAP Disclosure act of 2023, and then they never disclosed anything.

What, is that not my area of expertise? Yes. Don't know. But do members of Congress ever say, wait a second, we're a co equal branch, legislative branch. We have as much power as the president collectively, and you can't keep this stuff secret from us.

You're not allowed to do that. But see, like, I have this in hearings all the time. They'll say, I'll ask the ATF director, this just, this happened just last week. Detlebach. Or I'll ask Merrick Garland something, or Christopher Wray.

Like, I've asked all them this, and they give you the same answer. It's longstanding DOJ policy not to comment on ongoing investigations. And you know what? That's fine to tell a reporter, but you can't tell the branch of government that created you that that funded you. You can't tell them that.

That's why the omnibus was so disappointing to me, is the only way these three letter agencies are going to come to heel is if we cut their funding in some specific area. I've joked we could just withhold one toner cartridge for one printer at the FBI and they would come over with a whole binder full of information. But we can't even bring ourselves to deprive them of a toner cartridge. So we put $200 million for new FBI building in the omnibus bill. And, you know, to their credit, Jim Jordan and Jamie Comer didn't vote for that.

And they're chairman of committees, but they are completely frustrated with the fact that the FBI just thumbs their nose out. So is that the speaker who allowed that to happen? Oh, he absolutely allowed it to happen. So to what extent are members of Congress, committee chairman, leadership controlled by blackmail? I really don't think there's much blackmail.

Like, if there is, I'm not aware of it. I have people come up to me, you know, I travel around the country, I go to Texas and, you know, other states and speak to groups, food freedom groups, you know, First Amendment, second amendment groups, and they come to me and they say, why did my congressman sell out? Like, I'll just, Bob was such a great guy and I campaigned for him. I made phone calls, I put up signs. And then we sent Bob to Congress and he votes the wrong way every time.

Why is it, do they have his kids in a basement somewhere? Did he have kiddie porn on him? Like, what is it? Why did Bob go bad? And I have to look him in the eye and say, bob just wanted to be liked.

Like, there is a gene inside of congressmen. I think they, if you look for a common denominator, they like people and they want to be liked for the most part. And if, and they're likable. If they're not likable, it's hard to get elected. Okay, so this self selects for likable people, but likeable people want to be liked.

I, and they're not surrounded by their wives and children who usually give them plenty of like, right when they're in DC, it's like, who am I going to go to dinner with tonight? Well, I want to eat food with somebody that likes me. Right. So if you're not going to eat alone and you have to be liked, and you generally have to be liked to get elected to congress, you better be liked. And so it's literally, it's almost like kindergarten when somebody says, I won't be your friend anymore if you don't, you know, give me your launch.

Congressmen fall for that. You know, they're in their thirties, forties, fifties, and they fall for that. How do you, it's interesting. You like people. I've asked around.

You don't seem to have any real enemies in the congress. I don't even think AIPac hates you. They just want you to obey. But it's not, it doesn't seem personal. Right?

You don't seem to be a personal war with anybody. That's my take on. I have a mutation. So you like people. Okay.

Obviously, you're not some weird autist who doesn't care about other people. You like other people. I love people. I can tell. And your colleagues say that.

But you also don't feel like you need to fit in right? At the same time, like, what is that? It's a mutation. That chromosome, the, like, the liking people and likability chromosome usually has another gene on it right next to it, which is the need to be liked. And I'm missing the need to be, like, Gene.

I don't know what happened. I can go, like, on the cares act. Okay. This was under President Trump, the 11th day to slow the spread of 15, right? They said, we're going to pass a $2.2 trillion package, and you all just stay home.

It's dangerous. We'll just do it by unanimous consent. And it was 11:00 p.m. i'm sitting in my living room, and they send us this message, and I'm like, WTF? This is twice the size of the omnibus bill, right?

This is going to cause massive inflation. The policies in it are going to cause shortages. And if we don't show up to vote, we're sending a message to all 50 states that you don't have to show up to vote in this election. So it was like, I got to do. I got in my car, and I drove 8 hours.

I slept 1 hour in a rest stop because I knew I had to be there by 09:00 a.m. this was March 27, 2020. Actually, the 25th is the day I got to Congress to stop it. And I got there, and I said, it's not going by unanimous consent. And I was literally sleeping in my wife's suv, eating those peanut butter filled pretzels.

Like, I had a big jug of those aren't good. Yeah. For my three days of nourishment, I'm sitting in an suv, eating that big tub of pretzels with peanut butter in the middle, like, waiting. Just waiting for them to try to call it in session and sneak this bill passed. And they're like, shit, Massey's gonna do it.

So they loaded up congressmen. The airports were shutden down for the most part. There were some planes coming from California. They only had two passengers, and they were both congressmen. So they roll them all back to Congress.

It takes them two days to assemble a quorum. Cause they went to the parliamentarian, and they're like, is there any way around this? And he's like, nope, Massey's right. The constitution requires a quorum. If one.

You know, he didn't call me an asshole, but if one asshole just shows up, objects and says, there's no quorum here. So they brought every back. I go to the floor, actually got a. Everybody was hating me. I mean, everybody did you know what it's like to be in a room of 434 people and they're all staring at you?

Like, I had maybe ten friends who were, like, looking at me like, that guy is dead. Like, we've never seen Harry Cary like this. They were worried for me, but the rest of them hated me. They would come up to me and say, I live with my mother, and when I go back home, you're going to cause me to take Covid to her and she's going to die. And I'm blaming you for this.

And I said that to your face? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, like, no, it wasn't just one. It was like, when he was done, there was a line of people.

I stood there and they're all coming to hate on me. And I was like, but what about the guy that's going to the grocery store and bagging your groceries and carrying them out to the car? Does he live with his mother, too? Like, what about the trucker who's out there driving and interacting with people in order to get the goods to where you need to be? What about the nurse who's going to work every single day taking care of people?

Is she going to kill her parents? Like, why are you special? You're supposed to. They carved a hole in the side of a mountain in West Virginia for us in the case of emergency. Well, the sad but realistic thing is, now they don't have a place for us.

We're so useless, right? It's like, well, here's where we were going to keep them if shit hit the fan. But now we've realized they're, like, useless. We can declare war without them in the event of a nuclear strike. So, you know, they're just a rounding error in the three branches.

We can operate with two. Yes, I've noticed. So anyways, these are the kind of people who are supposed to respond in emergency, and they all wanted to stay home. They all hated me for recognize our constitutional duty. And Trump called me three times on the floor of the house while I was getting ready to make the motion to object.

And I let it go to voicemail three times in a row, which is probably not good, but I couldn't leave the microphone because I was asking people, would you make this motion if I go to the restroom, they're like, oh, no, no. So I. I sat there. I finally. They yielded time for debate.

I go off the floor and called the White House switchboard back. And. And, you know, I didn't have his number. I just, like, if you want to tour the White House, you call the number I called. Right?

And, like, the intern is like, oh, is this congressman Massey? I'm putting you through to Trump right now. And so he comes off, he goes, I'm coming at you like you've never seen. Never in your life before have you seen the way in which I will come at you. I'm more popular than you in Kentucky, and you know it.

I'm back in your primary opponent and you're gonna lose.

And I'm like, oh, crap, I probably will lose. I mean, he had 95% popularity among my republican electorate, who I had to face in about eight weeks in my primary, and I had a well funded opponent. And here, now, Trump was mad at me. So he screamed at me for two or three minutes. I kept trying to talk, and he just screamed louder.

Then he repeated it all. He goes, no, this is the second time you've done something like this. And they talked me out of it before, but not this time. And then you're gonna lose. And he hangs up.

And, like, the thing is, like I had, he said he thought it was the second time I'd done that, like, eight times since he was president. He just started realizing it's the same guy. The time before that was on war with Iran. The Democrats were in the majority, and, you know, he had just vaporized Soleimani. Yeah.

And we were worried that he would attack mainland Iran without a vote of Congress. So the Democrats actually, insincerely, there aren't too many anti war Democrats left, I've noticed. But they realized this was a chance to make a statement, so they put a bill on the floor saying, trump, you can't go to war with Iran without a vote of Congress, which is constitutionally obvious. So I had to vote for it, but I was only one of three Republicans to do it. So he remembered that time, but he didn't remember the fake Obamacare repeal and some of the other things that I was kind of, you know, the turd in the punch bowl on.

Did it change your views at all? No. The president tweeted that I was a third rate grandstander and that this is before I got back to my seat. I go back from the speakers lobby to go to my seat to get ready to make the motion. And one of the congress was like, you better look at your phone, Massey.

Look at your twitter. And I turn it on. He's like, tweeting hard and heavy against me. He said I should be thrown out of the party. Then.

The best one is I'm chairman of the second amendment caucus. So his third tweet was, he's terrible on guns. It's like, what? Where did that come from? Have you seen my Christmas card picture?

What's your Christmas card picture? Well, it's a little infamous. No, I've actually seen it, but I benefit of those who have not. So, you know, I got my family together for Christmas, and we got a bluegrass instruments out. We play music together, and we took a Christmas card picture with bluegrass instruments.

And I said, hey, wouldn't it be kind of neat if we just, like, change these all out for machine guns? And took a picture? And that was supposed to stay on my phone for eternity, but I had had a couple medical margaritas one night. I don't do medical marijuana, but I had a few medical margaritas. And I looked at that picture and I thought, well, that's pretty good picture.

It'd be ashamed if nobody ever saw it. And I tweeted it, and I caught all kinds of hate for that. The art, a great picture. The archbishop of Canterbury condemned it. This is the head of the Church of England condemned my tweet.

I'm like, oh, my God. Are you an Episcopalian? I'm Methodist. Good. So you can ignore him.

Yes. Yeah, he's a disgrace. So. So anyways, I. You know, the press asked me as I'm.

We're talking about the need to be liked, gene, right? If I had that, I would have been devastated that day. If I had needed to be liked, I couldn't have carried that through. And I walked out of that chamber. Everybody's hating me in the chamber.

Nancy Pelosi called me a dangerous nuisance. CNN called me the most hated person in DC. John Kerry called me an asshole or something. And President Trump called me a third rate grandstander. This is all in the course of a few minutes, right?

I walk out of the chamber of the House and the reporters, like, swarm me, you know, like they do. And I'm just trying to run back to the suv with the pretzels with peanut butter in them and get out of there. And the press said, what do you have to say for yourself? Your own president just called you a third rate grandstander. And I paused for a second and I said, I was offended.

I'm at least second rate. So what happened to your relationship with Trump? It. You know, I think he respects people that stand up. Yep.

Even if I think you're absolutely right. Disagrees with you. That's correct. And two years later, he did endorse me. No way.

Yep. Do you get along with him okay now? Yeah. I mean, I did endorse Ron DeSantis. Not out of spite or animosity, because we had already patched things up.

Just because I served with Ron DeSantis for six years, and he and I were really good friends. We talked about bills when he was in Congress. He and I fought over who was going to introduce the bill to eliminate congressional pensions, and he won, and I co sponsored it. Now I'm the sponsor, now that he's a governor. But I knew he was a good person and he thinks things through and he was smart, so I endorsed him.

But, you know, because I have. I call it natural immunity. I have Trump antibodies. This point, they may wear off at some point. Do you think if you did run for, say, just pulling this out of a hat, but governor of Kentucky, do you think Trump would endorse you?

I don't know. You probably do some polling and see who is winning. Fair. Fair. Totally fair.

I wouldn't turn down an endorsement. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not. Are you at war with anybody in the Congress?

No, I get along with everybody. I mean, and people try to use this against me. You know, when AIPAC was running those ads that say, I always vote with AOC and Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar, you know, so I introduced an amendment and forced to vote on eliminating the kill switch in automobiles that's mandated. Thank you. Yeah, well, I was losing republicans on that.

I lost like 20 republicans, so I knew I needed some. Just to be clear for the people don't know what you're talking about, but in new vehicles, this has been the case for years. They can be turned off remotely by the authorities, which is like the most north korean thing ever to happen. That's what you're talking about. Yeah.

By 2026, every new automobile sold has to be able to turn itself off if it doesn't like your driving. So I'm like, how do you appeal this conviction? At the roadside? Right? Maybe you swerved to miss a deer and pulled over for an ambulance, and you got your kids in the car, and it's a vote for something that evil.

I don't understand. Because, again, they know it's a. That I'm right, but they're worried about, for instance, mothers against drunk driving or that they don't have the bravery. Wait, worse, we just let in millions of illegal aliens who are allowed to drunk drive. Right.

And Biden has told us that drunk driving is not a big deal. It's not grounds for deportation. Yeah. Yeah. So who, mothers against drunk driving, as far as I know, said nothing about this.

Like, who cares what they think? I know. And. But there may be, let's say, one constituent in your district who gets ahold of you, and they lost a child to drunk driving, which is terrible. And they say, you know, you don't care about me.

If you vote for Massey's amendment, and, you know, they make that personal phone call that Congressman doesn't have the fortitude to say or knowledge to say, look, this technology can't work. I really care about your child. I think driving is a scourge and I want to fix it, but this is a false promise, and it's only going to increase the price of automobiles and give the government more control. So I'm going to vote with Massey. They don't have the courage to say that.

So long story short, I lost 20 Republicans. I needed some Democrats. So I went over to AOC, who I get along with just fine. Don't hate me for saying that. I don't.

And I said, aOC, they're running ads right now that say you always vote or that I always vote with you. Just once, could you vote with me? Could you vote for my kill switch amendment, since they're running ads the other way? And she did. She voted to defund the automobile kill switch for her.

So she ran. It's interesting. I mean, obviously, I don't like her, but I think she's talented. She is definitely talented. But she ran as a radical, as someone from the outside, which I'm, of course, very sympathetic to, but she doesn't seem to actually be that person.

So, like, for example, on the foreign aid stuff, how often does she vote with you on? Quite, quite frequently. But I had a funny moment, you know, this 15 or 16 votes we had on Israel in April. Well, the squad and I, I know this is going to be used in the next ad against me, this clip from Tucker. But I was the only, no, sometimes, sometimes the most of the squad voted with me, but I noticed AOC wasn't always there with me.

So I went over to the squad on the Democrat side of that. Do they literally sit together? They hang out together? Yeah, they kind of, it's really cliquish. Even, you know, the Freedom Caucus sits together.

The Texas delegation sits together. There are different cliques. The appropriators sit together. It's the military guys. The intel guys sit together.

You know, sometimes it's by state, sometimes it's by clique. A lot of the congressional black Caucus sits together. I can't get the second amendment caucus to sit together. That's my caucus. They're too independent.

Independent. But. So I go over to their. This is just high school cafeteria. High school cafeteria.

That's what it is. And why would you. Again, they need to be liked, right? They don't want to sit next to people they don't like or who don't like them. So I go over.

I went over to the squad a few weeks ago, and I said, I told AOC for the squad, I said, we're going to kick you out if you don't keep voting with this more consistently. What did she say? She laughed. She thought it was funny. I mean, she has a sense of humor.

These people are humans. There are 435. I call them goldfish. In the aquarium. You have to get 218 of them to pass a bill.

So it doesn't benefit me to hate on any of them. Someday, you know, on some days, they may vote with me. Well, they're also people, and if you can help it, you shouldn't hate people, period. We formed coalitions on the first amendment, on the fourth amendment, on war. Sometimes like, to eliminate cluster bombs, delivering cluster bombs, even though the Democrats, almost to a person, actually to a person, want to give Ukraine more aid.

Some of them are like, well, the cluster bombs. Maybe we shouldn't do that. Okay. And so you can form coalition. So I try to do that when I can, but why aren't there anti war Democrats since it was the anti war party for, like, 40 years?

I don't know. And we've lost a lot of them on privacy and free speech as well. I think with Russia. You asked this before. There's.

There's this element that I didn't answer. It's sort of a proxy against Trump for them. Now they. In their. In their file folders, in their brain.

Trump and Russia are in the same file folder? Yes. Even though that's a false narrative that's been dispelled long ago, it's still in their same file folder. So when they see Ukraine is fighting Russia, they use that as a proxy for their hate for Trump, and so they'll. They'll vote for that.

And they did. They waved. I don't know if you saw this they were waving ukrainian flags after Mike Johnson put their bill on the floor and every Democrat voted for it. This was premeditated. Somebody had to go, bye, you know, 200 ukrainian flags and hand them out.

And I filmed it, which you're not supposed to do, but you're also not supposed to wave flags of other countries on the floor of the House. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to expose this. So I filmed it and I put it on Twitter to show what, like, the humiliation that Mike Johnson brought upon us by bringing the Democrat bill to the floor without any. And it was leverage, too. Even if you're a Republican and you're okay with sending money to Ukraine, that's a leverage point.

Do something for our country and require that as a condition of doing whatever that is. But he gave up all the leverage. I put that video on Twitter. Three days later, the sergeant at arms tracks down one of my staffers in Kentucky because we're no longer in session and says he needs to delete that video from Twitter or we're going to take a fine out of his salary, out of his congressional salary. So he knew what I was going to do.

He told me what they had just said. I said, all right, I'm retweeting it. Did you? Oh, yeah. And it got like 8 million views.

It went from 4 million to 8 million. And then, you know, sometimes you just got to double down. And the speaker had to announce on Twitter that I wouldn't be fined for that. But there. But no one was considering finding any member who waved the flag of a foreign nation on the floor of the House of Representatives.

Right. And they were taking selfies of them with their foreign flags, too. And none of them got a phone call. Only I got a phone call because I exposed the humiliation. It wasn't just a humiliation of those of us in Congress.

It was a humiliation of our country. I mean, it's one of the most corrupt countries in the world. And they got everything they wanted for them. And the democrats are waving the flag even though the ukrainian flag, even though they're in the majority, and we just have to, like, sit there and take that. It was.

It was horrible. Do you think any. I mean, the leader of Ukraine is not elected anymore. His term has ended. He's not having a new election.

He's the unelected maximum power. In some places, we call that a dictator. And yet they're still hitting us with a democracy, pro democracy talking points. Do you think? I mean, have they thought this through at all?

Are they just lying. Like, what is that? They're lying. I mean, they know it. And the good news is some Republicans are waking up to it.

Remember when we started voting on these Ukraine resolutions? Even as soon as the war started, I was the only. No. There was, like, this open ended promise in a nonbinding resolution. They said, well, give them whatever they need.

And there were only, like, two other Republicans that joined me on this. But now we've got a majority of Republicans in Congress are saying, wait, they aren't using this money like we thought they were. And we're giving them money to fund pensions of retired politicians in Ukraine who were most certainly corrupt. And we're paying their pensions with this money, but most Republicans don't support it. So that means that your speaker, the republican speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, is working for the Democrats.

Yeah, it's that simple. I mean, and that's one of the reasons we went through with the motion to vacate. Paul Gosar and I co sponsored Marjorie's motion to vacate. There were ultimately eleven of us who voted for it. Motion vacate would be to fire him, to fire Speaker Johnson, just like they had done Kevin McCarthy, although I thought inappropriately and at the wrong time and for the wrong reasons, they did that to McCarthy.

But here we had Speaker Johnson, who was doing all the things people were afraid McCarthy might do. They pre convicted McCarthy for things they thought he would do. And here Mike Johnson came and did all these things. He put an omnibus on the floor. He passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance act, re upped that without warrants, built the FBI a new building, and gave Ukraine all this money.

What Marjorie and I and Paul decided ultimately is we needed to expose the uniparty. And never before have you had Democrats vote for a republican speaker. And that's why we forced the question. Nancy Pelosi voted for him. Hakeem Jeffries went on national tv and said, why would we want to get rid of him?

He's given us everything we want. I mean, the uniparty has never been so exposed as it was when we called that motion to vacate. I know some people got mad at us that we shouldn't have done it, but it's a long game, which we certainly hope that he doesn't become speaker next January. And hopefully people have seen, with Nancy Pelosi rushing to Speaker Johnson's aid, that he's not the speaker you want. When Trump wins the White House and we keep the majority, do you think he will be?

A lot of this depends on what the people want. And if they can see it, hopefully also Trump sees it, that Mike Johnson is, would be even worse than Paul Ryan. PaUl Ryan put while he was still in the, while we were still in the majority. Paul Ryan sent like a dozen CR's or omnibus bills to President Trump's desk because it didn't have any money for a wall in it. Like, he had no intention of ever funding a wall.

Paul Ryan did, you know? And so I think Mike Johnson is going to be similarly the same way. He's basically working for the deep state at this point in the uni party. How did that happen? Do you have any idea the, the Paul Ryan bit or.

No, Paul Ryan is a change, you know, is a sinister person. I happen to know, but also, you know, not just kind of, not a genius and an ideologue at the same time, which is like a bad combination, dumb ideologues for the scariest. But Mike Johnson seemed like kind of a moderately conservative, kind of sincere, decent guy. You know, maybe he would babysit your kids and do an okay job, unlike Paul Ryan, and. But he just, and then he immediately just becomes a tool of CIA and Jake Sullivan and the Biden administration.

How did that happen so fast? Well, one of the things he claims, which I don't believe is true, and I have reason to say this, is that he says he went in a skiff. Like he's had some 180 degree turns on some things, like, for instance, whether you need a warrant to spy on Americans using the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act 702 program. Well, he used to be on judiciary committee with me and Jim Jordan, trying to reform that, trying to get. So he understood what it was.

He knew completely what we were talking about. He's an attorney, too, right? And he knows the constitution. He knows this is required. But he claims he spent time in a skiff and he learned skiff.

That's secure compartmentalized information facility or something. It's where we go. We have to leave our phones locked up, no staff in there. He claims he spent time in skiff and learned things that changed his mind. Here's the problem, Tucker.

I was in the skiff with him.

We had Dni, not just the current Dni, but the former Dni. John Radcliffe, Trump's DNI. We had CIA, we had FBI, we even had a FISa judge in there. And we spent three and a half hours. It was a four hour meeting.

And after three and a half hours, it was basically a psy op where they were just trying to beat you down and do the things and I was like, this is ridiculous. You haven't given. They didn't give us one example of any time ever since FISA was created that getting a warrant would have kept them from solving or preventing an act of terrorism. They gave hypotheticals, but they had no specific. And I think FISA has been in place since 1978.

Since the seventies. Right. So almost 50 years. And they couldn't give you one example? Not one example.

Now, they also expanded it after 911 and to do the program to go against civilians, to spy on civilians. And actually, that product came out of the Judiciary committee. Here's another place where the speaker betrayed us. FISA 702 was created by John Conyers and Jim Sensenbrenner. Conyers was the chairman and Sensenbrenner was the ranking member.

And what Mike Johnson said this year was, well, even though the judiciary Committee created this and is responsible for overseeing it, I'm going to let the intel committee bring the bill to the floor without warrants in it. It wasn't even their jurisdiction. They have jurisdiction over FISA as long as it's for the CIA but not for the FBI. So that was frustrating, but it's shocking. It's shocking.

It is shocking. So he said, like, end of civil liberties level stuff. So. Yes, but it's not like he learned new information. No, I was there.

So what? So that's the problem. Right. The fact that I was there. Right.

So that on your show that I was there for three and a half hours, and Mike, John, go ask Mike Johnson. He'll say, yep, he was there three and a half hours. So what is the truth? What do you think changed?

I think he's kind of a lost ball in tall weeds. They think he's in a position of power he never imagined he would get to at this point in his life. He's not done anything in private practice or political arena. This prepared him for this. He took the job with a very small staff.

He didn't have people to put in all positions on the field, and he had to accept a lot of suggestions in areas he didn't know a whole lot about. Although he gets no pass on Fisa. Yes. He gets no pass on Ukraine because he does. As you pointed out, he doesn't even know how many casualties have been incurred on the ukrainian side.

I mean, he needs the second person in line for president after Kamala Harris. This is. This is scary to me. He's. He's basically getting moved around.

It's crazy. You said nothing he did in his life before. This prepared him for it. I. But that itself may be kind of a more charitable explanation, because I'm trying to be charitable.

I mean, I got to go back to work with you. Your life prepared you for this. So just for those who don't know, you went to MIT. Your high school girlfriend joined you at MIT. You married her while she was still there.

And then together, you started a company based on a very sophisticated invention that you came up with maybe the first of about 30 patents that you now have. You ran this company for a long time. Then you moved back to Kentucky, and a lot of things happened, and you end up running for Congress. So that's not the background. Well, so nothing in the political arena, but in my private life, you know, I raised $32 million of venture capital, and I swam with the sharks.

Like, I had lots of moral dilemmas in the course of creating that company. I could have taken money off the table and gone and done other things, but instead, I felt a commitment to my staff and to other investors. I had investors who said, if you'll just shit can that guy you hired as president, we'll double our investment. And I'm like, no, he's my partner. I'm not.

Like, he helped me get to this point. I'm not going to abandon him. Good for you. And so I had experiences in life that, and then also just put my hands in the dirt on my farm, like, so tell me about that. So you live.

Tell us about how you live and where you live, because I think it's one of the most unusual things about you. So I spent. I grew up as a hillbilly in eastern Kentucky. What county? Lewis County?

Lewis county. How many people in your town? 13,000 people, 13,000 cattle. It's a huge landmass, and it's a great county. It's one of the 21 counties that I represent.

It's actually the poorest county per capita income that I represent, but it's the one I grew up in, so it's very unlikely that the congressman for the district would come from the poorest county. So I grew up as a little nerd. I loved taking stuff apart because I was bored. There were no malls. You couldn't ride your bicycle to any, you know, store to.

And if you did, you didn't have any money. So I had to find things to do at home. I took apart things, built things, entered science fairs, built robots, made it to the international science fair as a little, you know, hillbilly won an award from NASA there at the age 15. Like, I won the high school level awards and got into MIT. Never visited the campus.

Didn't really have the money to go visit it, but I read about it. There was no Internet. Seemed like a good place. I got there. I lived in a town of 1900 people all my life, and I was there for 6 hours in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

I crossed Massachusetts Avenue. They had a crosswalk and a stoplight. Never really seen two of those things together. I'd seen crosswalks and stoplights, so I walked through the crosswalk in a car honk, like that short little Boston meh mamp. And I thought, oh, my gosh, I've been here 6 hours and already run into somebody from kentucky.

And I turned around and waved at the car as big as I could. Was it people from Kentucky? I don't think so. I think they had one finger up waving back, so. And people were like, that's not a true story.

Not only is it true, it took me a month to quit waving at cars that beat like it was just 18 years of conditioning. You thought beeping was, hey, hey, there. I mean, that's what we thought that little thing in the middle of your steering wheel was for. If you saw somebody and they couldn't see you through the windshield, just toot the horn, you throw your hand up, wave, they roll down the window. That's Bob.

And if you didn't wave, I mean, you were pariah. You were probably an axe murderer who was in our town, right? Or you were just an a hole. I was. So.

I didn't want to be either. So I waved at that car in Massachusetts and kept waving for about a month. But anyways, long story short, as you said, I invented a virtual reality device that lets you touch three dimensional objects. Started a company, raised venture capital, did that for ten years. Moved to the live free or die state, New Hampshire.

New Hampshire. My company was in Massachusetts. I couldn't move the center of gravity too far out of Cambridge. I got it up to 128 on Woburn, and then I commuted 40 miles every day so I could live in a state that lets you have machine guns and old cars and, you know, cool stuff. Redneck sports.

The best. The best sports. So why did you move back to Kentucky after ten years, you know, of doing it? It was, you know, we had three kids, and we wanted to raise them like we were raised in Kentucky, and we wanted to be near their grandparents. Like, both my parents were still alive.

Both my wife's parents were still alive. And you learned so much from your grandparents because your parents are really busy. Just, you know, trying to earn a living or whatever. And if you're lucky enough to have a relationship with your grandparents, that's where I think the generational stuff carries on. Yes.

And I had a great relationship with my grandparents, so we wanted our kids to live in that environment. And we came back. We bought the farm that my wife grew up on. We built a house off the grid. It runs on a wrecked model s Tesla battery.

It's been running continuously for six and a half years. So you built the hat? Like, who built the house? I did. Like, I.

We had an ice storm and a lot of trees fell down. How big is the property? It's 1500 acres. And it's wooded. It's all.

Almost all woods like. And it's too steep. I don't want you to think this is, like, valuable Iowa. No, no, no. I know the part of the state you're in the pack your lunch.

If you're on the ridge and you fall off the ridge because you're going to be hungry by the time you get to the bottom, you're going to be grabbing, like, tree roots and stuff to keep from sliding. But it grows trees and some of it is flat and, you know, in the bottom. But this is not plantation land. No, these are hollers. Yeah.

So, in fact, interestingly enough, it's been a republican county since the civil war, even though all the counties around it have been Democrats since the civil war. Because the geography. Because the geography, the topography did not allow for consolidation of farms. So there was no scale at which slavery made sense. You could basically, in your holler, you only had enough land that your family, if you had enough kids, could farm.

Yes. And so that's the way people grew up. And by the way, it's kind of libertarian. You know, I'll do my thing in my holler. You do your thing in your holler.

If you need some help, let me know. I'll come over and help you. But southwest Virginia is like this. West Virginia is like. Yeah, because the topography.

Right. It's the reason West Virginia was republican and seceded from Virginia. So. By the way, half my family's from West Virginia and half my family's from Kentucky. My mama's, who's 97 right now, is still alive.

Her grandfather was Union soldier. Amazing. Isn't that crazy? From West Virginia? From West Virginia.

Yeah. She still lives in West Virginia. But, like, we're not that far away from the civil war. No, I know. I know.

You can talk to people who were alive when people who fought in the civil war, I worked with a guy when I was at the newspaper in Arkansas. The guy shared a desk with Bob Sali from Texarkana, Arkansas. He said, I knew confederate veterans. It's in my lifetime. I knew a man who knew confederate veterans or civil war veterans.

That's just absolutely crazy. But my whole point that was, she's a Republican. She's been Republican since my mama, since the civil war. And, like, nobody marries into our family. If you're a Democrat, you got to go see mama, and she'll either approve or disapprove.

And she's been had pretty good luck at sniffing out the liberals. Yeah, the liberals. So you had an ice store. There was an ice storm on your property. How does that figure into your house?

So I already had a bulldozer. So I got a winch so I could drag these trees out. I got a sawmill, cut these into timbers, built a timber frame house. What kind of wooden? It's 17 kinds of wood.

Because we did, it was whatever fell down in the ice storm. We've got oak, yellow poplar, hickory, beech. So hardwood. Hardwood. Yep.

And then we wanted to be self sustaining. How did you know how to timber frame? I found a class on eBay for $500 in Tennessee, and I bought it now. And I drove to Tennessee and took a one week class, and we built a little shed and slash cabin. And I called my wife from a pay phone, and I said, I want to do this instead of going to get a job.

We had just ended, like, left our company after ten years of working there, and we'd moved back to Kentucky. And I said, well, I'll just build a timber frame house. Like, full time. Yes. Woke up every morning, had my coffee, and started chiseling away or going up in the woods and dragging more trees out that had fallen down.

So you. You built your house full time, like, as a job every day. And this. And this is what our kids saw, too. Like, the flooring for our kitchen came out of the creek.

We call it a creek. What do you mean the flooring came out of the creek? There are rocks in the creek that are flat that they look like the stuff you buy at lowe's. That's fake. And like, oh, this is what they modeled the fake stuff after.

We free. Let's just go pick it up now. If we probably have. We're paying ourselves about $3 an hour compared to if we had just gone to, you know, one of the box stores and bought it in terms of harvesting it. But our kids, I think in addition to being with their grandparents, learned a big lesson that, wow.

Mom and dad are growing our food. They are collecting the materials for the house here from the environment that you don't have to rely, you know? Neighbors are good, though, right? We actually sent them to public school, which was. And we let them ride the bus.

It was only 3 miles away, but we figured the bus ride was important, too, because when you get to school, they sort of separate you. But you've got can be 15 terrifying minutes on the bus where you interact with everybody. Right. I remember my son. He was, like, ten years old.

He traded some yu gi oh cards on the bus, and for this, like, awesome. The best yu gi oh card ever. And he showed it to us and was a little plastic thing, and we're like, well, did you want to take out plastic? No, no. He told me to leave it in here, and we take it out, and it was a fake, and he was so mad.

But it turns out his dad had sold me a leaky bulldozer and said there was no leaks in it, so, like, it ran in the family. The same kid who stiffed my son and stiffed me on this dozer. So where. I mean, I. But you learned these.

These are life lessons, right? They didn't lead a sheltered life, and so we grew up, you know, they grew up there. What percent of the timbers in the timber frame came from your property? All of it. Never left the farm.

Really? So you milled it there? Milled it there, chiseled it there, made the mortise and tenons and the dovetails. It was a lot of work, personally. Yes.

How did you, you know, cutting a mortise and tenon, cutting a dovetail joint. These are, having done it, very difficult. How did you learn to do that? I kept telling myself, look, farmers without calculators pulled this off 200 years ago, and so surely if I've got a computer and some electricity, I should be able to do this as well. Just dent of will.

But she'd been, like, a software programmer. But not nothing that scale. Yeah. I mean, the only thing I had built before that was a treehouse. Right.

And even that didn't get finished, so. But, I mean, some of that stuff is very complex. Like, actually complex timber framing. Some. Some of the joints are difficult to cut, and the design itself is incredible.

Is complicated. Yeah. You don't like. You have to plan it all ahead. You don't like, hold the timber up there like you would a two by four framing.

Right. Or. Oh, that 45 needs to be a 42 degree angle. Let's, you know, saw off a little bit more. You can't do that while it's, you know, you're up in the middle of the air on scaffolding, trying to get two pieces to fit together.

It's actually. It's a fun math problem, so I enjoyed it. But is there something honest about it? Because all the fasteners are wooden, too, so it's one medium that you learn. There's no, like, bolts.

So it's all pegs, nails. All pegs. And once you realize that. And there are no metal fasteners in the frame. Correct.

None. I mean, we had to nail the floor. I got it. And the walls on it. The frame itself.

The frame that. No metal fast structure. And it's 46ft tall. It's 46ft tall, yes. From the basement slab, which I timber framed the basement, too.

I still don't even know how to stick frame. Like, I'm like, well, I'm gonna build one house. I'm gonna learn one technique. The framing that your average is, if you're watching this, it's thick frame. It's thick frame.

So I was like, well, let's build the basement timber frame, too. And the dormers, like, if you paid a company to build timber frame, they would stick frame the dormers. Well, of course. Or buy them and just bolt them on. Right?

Yeah, I timber framed that. I'm just like, let's just be pure the whole way. And there's. It's. As an engineer, I thought, well, I want to build a house with timbers.

I like how timbers look, but. But, you know, we'll just bolt them together. We'll use iron brackets. That's the best way to do it. But in the course of this one week class, I came to realize, wow, if you just let go and make everything out of wood, it solves problems that you would create when you start using metal fasteners, like, wood shrinks.

Right. It takes like six or eight years for a big timber to fully dry out. So how do you deal with metal fasteners and shrinking wood? Well, the metal fasteners can rip out, but if you build your fasteners out of wood, like, it can all work, it moves together. And there's, you know, if you go to Germany, there's homes that are four or 500 years old to show that it can work.

So all the timbers came from the property. What about the stone? There's a lot of stone in the house. Yep. We got some of it out of the creek.

We dug some of it out of the ground. All of the stone is from the property. How did you dig it out of the ground? What does that mean? You started a stone quarry on your.

On your own property? In my front yard. It's now a pond, but I. There was an old logging road, and the erosion had exposed this layer of rock. And I thought, well, that layer of rock must go pretty far.

So I started digging using a backhoe. I started digging the dirt off of that layer of rock, and I'm like, wow, there are lots of rocks here. And I just. I almost giggled out loud when I shoved on that layer of rock with my backhoe, and all these rocks started rolling out in front of the blade, and they looked like rocks you could buy at the store, you know, like, well, why would I go buy them? Like, I can just, like, shove three tons of them out of here and, you know, a few minutes.

And then I had people coming and visiting, obviously. We looked like a bunch of weirdos building this timber frame house up on the hill, and people would come up and where were you living at this point? We lived in a mobile home. Like, we just pulled in a mobile home, and I told my wife, we don't live in it for six months. We ended up two years in a 900 square foot mobile home with four kids.

No way. It's. But, I mean, it's actually not that bad. You get to know your family really well. You can hear.

It's like being on a boat. Yeah. You try to go to the bathroom, and if you're gone for more than five minutes, like, the wall between the kitchen and the bathroom is so thin, you're just enjoying private moment there on the throne, trying to read a magazine about timber framing or something. Right. And you can hear the kids at the dinner table saying, where'd daddy go?

Where'd daddy? Where's daddy? And then start trying to find daddy. Anyways, it was a good, comfy experience. And now we actually kept the mobile home, and we lease it to deer hunters.

Really? Yeah. It's a double wide, so it's full of deer heads and bunk beds now. And the hunters call it the lodge, which we find amusing. My wife calls it the double lodge, since it's a double wide.

Do you have a lot of deer on your land? We have, yeah. Trophy deer all over. What do you charge to rent it? Just in case people are interested, we're booked up.

You know any weird Internet people? Yes. So how long did it take you to finish this house? It's not finished. I've been criticized, you know, in campaigns.

People try to use this against me. Some guy goes, he doesn't even have doors on all his rooms. He's some kind of weirdo. Great. Well, we haven't made that door yet, right?

You're making the doors. We have made a few of them, yeah, we're kind of breaking down now and buying a few doors now that the kids are gone. So this, that was like, your kids. Wait, so what year did you start? How long has this process been.

So we started in 2010. So we're 21 years. And we've been off the grid that long too. Again, no, when you say off the grid, what do you. What do you mean?

We're not connected to any public utility. Not electricity, not water, not sewer, not phone. The house is totally disconnected from everything. Did you build those systems yourself? Yeah, using a lot of it's off the shelf stuff, but some of its improvised field expedient.

So, like, for, like, the Tesla battery, the car battery that runs the house, let's buy that out of a catalog. You go to a junkyard and say how much you want for that wrecked Model S and, like, I'll sell you the battery for 15,000. Why not? Why can't you just buy the battery separately? They won't.

Like, Tesla wouldn't sell me a Powerwall. I would. I tried to buy one for years. Why? Because it has to be connected to the grid.

For some reason, their business model involves that. So I was like, all right, well, I'll get a battery. How much different can it be from the batteries in their car? So I drove to Lake Lanier, Georgia, with a little trailer, landscaping trailer. The battery weighs, I think, 1200 pounds.

But here's the funny thing. It's considered hazardous material if you pull it on a trailer. But if it's in a car, it's just fine. So I hurried up and got back to Kentucky with the trailer. I don't have a hazmat light, so it was a wrecked Tesla model S.

And you pulled the battery out of it and what'd you do with it? Disassembled it. I paid $15,000 cash. But this is like, you know, this probably like 15 or 20 years. Hopefully it'll last.

And so I brought it home, took it apart. Actually, I made a YouTube video of this. And what's kind of funny is I had these big rubber gloves that a friend who had worked on power lines, you know, they were leftovers, and he gave to me. And so, like, in the YouTube video, I try to make sure like, I'm using big rubber gloves and stuff. And I did, like, this fast forward, you know, of the disassembly of the battery.

And I forgot, like, my two little boys are in there helping me, and they don't have the gloves on. They haven't earned a right to have gloves. Don't put stuff on the Internet. Like, I once, I have a Tesla model SDE, one of the very first ones made. And I've got friends of coal license plates on it.

Like, in Kentucky, you can get friends of coal. It's a totally coal c o al coal. Yeah. Sorry. Because in Kentucky, that's if you plug into the grid, that's likely where your electricity is, where I would think.

Yeah. So I'm driving this thing back from DC. This was when gas was, you know, getting close to $5 a gallon. It was over $4 a gallon. And I.

And I stopped in West Virginia to charge my Tesla to supercharging station just to kind of troll people on the Internet. And I made sure to get a picture of my friends, a coal license plate. And I said, I'm just charging up with coal here in West Virginia. And within 30 seconds, I knew I'd made a mistake because somebody had zoomed in on the picture and my tags were expired. And they started tagging the Kentucky state police, my local sheriff, the DMV, Kentucky, like they were trying to get me in trouble.

And I'm like, there's no way to stop this now. And so they were relentless. And. But then somebody realized they had been expired for 18 months, that I'd actually made it a year without paying taxes and was maybe likely to get out of a year of taxes. Well, it's your win then.

Yeah, but in Kentucky, I think they make you go back and pay the old taxes. Anyways, what I learned there is like, search everything in the picture before you put it on the. Well, yes, and others with a zesty. Your personal lives. Then you have learned this the hard way.

It doesn't seem you've got enough minor, minor tax evasion issue here. You don't have time to be too weird. So you get the Tesla battery back to your off grid house, and what do you have to do? Because it's not made for this. It's a car battery.

It's a car battery. It's made to run 400 volts. All of my existing system was made to run off 48 volts, but there were 16 modules, each nominally 25 volts. And I realized if you put two of those in series, you could make 50 volts. So I put eight sets of two in series, and so I put eight parallel.

A paralleled eight sets of two in series. So I got 50 volts at a lot more amperage than what the Tesla car would normally draw. It was capable of doing that. How hard is that to do? But.

Well, I mean, it took a few days, but it's lasted for six and a half years. I wouldn't advise doing this at home. Like, why put it in an outbuilding? I mean, if it catches on fire, it's probably like Chernobyl, that mini series. Like, don't look at the reactor.

God cannot put out. He created lithium ion, but he can't put the fire out if it starts. So I would not attach it to your house. Mine is like. Is it attached to your house?

Kind of, yeah, it's like a basement room that's not under the house. Like, I don't want to get into everything under my house right now. Okay. So my wife says our house is my science project, and she's the mouse, and she doesn't mind that. But I keep rearranging the maze on the weekends when I come back from DC.

And then she has to find the cheese while I'm in DC. But it's. She's more like the astronaut, I think, in a rocket. I think that's exactly. She's the only trust level required, correct?

Yes. She trusts me while I'm in DC, and I trust her to fly the house while she's in Kentucky. So what? She's also an MIT graduate, so I. She, like, kind of understands some of the stuff.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Although she would like to have just one thing in the house where if something went wrong, she could call somebody, but she can't. She's got to, like, call me, and then I walk her through it. By the way, it's good. Like marriage security, but it's just like she knew we ever, whoever broke up, or if, let's say she put something in my coffee and I didn't wake up the next day, she'd have a hard time running the house, so.

So you put these, you put the nodules, which is basically separate batteries. Yeah, right. Okay. Within that. Within the big battery, or battery.

Then I put a computer on it, a raspberry PI, and I made a little graphic screen. And the Raspberry PI, using an Arduino, talks to the can bus, which is a proprietary Tesla communication system. So I use the battery management system that's native to the Tesla battery modules. If there's a nerd listening to this. This makes complete sense.

And they'll be like, oh, well, why wouldn't you do that? And everybody else is going to be like, he's just bsing. So did you have to add new software to this to run it? I had to write software from scratch. Yeah, but it's fun.

Like, this is what I do. Look, I've been in Congress for twelve years. My brain has atrophied to the size of a walnut, actually to a raisin, and it expands to a walnut. If I can go home and do these projects and I go back to DC and it's back down to the raisin, I believe that. I don't understand how these projects work, but I know what brain atrophy looks like and I know that Congress induces it.

It's not a wormhood strength. So how does it work? Like, it works great. We can run the air conditioner. Like for the first eleven years we had lead acid batteries and they didn't work that great.

You had to add water to them. Oh, for sure. They put off hydrogen gas, which is explosive. They put off a sulfide gas that can kill you. Like lead acids or batteries are bad and they're like over 100 years old.

But by the way, I love solar panels. Like Republicans are like, they look at me like, you have solar panels, you have an electric car. Like, are you sure you're one of us? And like, well, the solar panels are rocks that make electricity. They are amazing things.

They take sunlight and turn it into something we can all use. So you could hate, I tell Republicans, you can hate the subsidies, you can hate the bailouts, you can hate the mandates. I hate all of those things as well. But don't hate solar panels, don't hate the technology, right. Because it's actually given me and can give other people a license to be independent.

So let's get specific about it. So you have this, this Tesla battery that allows you to do everything a normal house can do. You can run air conditioning, you've got a dishwasher, you got washer dryer. I'm assuming all this. Four deep freezers, refrigerator, four deep freezers full of peaches, beef and chickens running continuously.

Continuously. So, um, so your power draws significant on all those appliances, obviously. Yeah. And the battery handles it fine. How much propane or how much diesel?

Or would I assume you have a generator to recharge? Backup generator that occasionally in the winter. But I keep, every time your solar panels recharge the battery? Yeah, for nine months out of year, the backup generator doesn't run, except for it's like test run every Friday. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

When we bust out the machine guns, like who's in the driveway? Okay, back down to level one. That's just the backup generator. So your electricity is, I mean, as long as you know how to operate the system, which apparently only you do. But if you can do that, then you're just living a completely normal life.

Correct. With electricity. How do you do heat? How do you heat your house? So in one of the greenest ways possible, like, I think the whole carbon thing is a scam.

Of course it's a scam. But if you do care about carbon neutrality, I wish we had more carbon. We need more CO2. And at periods in Earth's history we had more CO2 and plant life was doing better. And we've seen plant life, we've seen the coverage of green on the globe increase as CO2 levels go up.

Crop production goes up as CO2 levels go up. But if you did care about CO2, I am using wood on my farm. Like just trees that fall down. I'm not even going out and cutting a living tree. There's enough trees falling down.

Dead fall. Dead fall, that if I don't get to them, the termites do, and they turn them into CO2 and methane. But I can get to them and cut them up and bring them to my house and burn them in a wood gasifying boiler, which is super efficient, by the way. Once you start cutting wood for heat efficiency, like if you figure out a boiler is twice as efficient, you can cut half as much. So would get.

Can you? Because anyone who's made it this far in the interview is probably interested in wood gasification. Can you explain what that is? How is it different from a normal wood fired boiler or wood stove? Yeah, in a normal wood stove, you put the wood in there, it can be green.

You light it on fire, you get it going and then you control the air that goes to it to keep it from getting too hot. And a lot of smoke comes out, especially when it's idling because it's an inefficient combustion process, relatively low temperature under, let's say a thousand degrees. Right. But in a wood gasifying boiler, you get the fire started and it basically turns the wood into charcoal and drives the gases out of it into a secondary chamber that's ceramic because it's burning at over 1500 degrees. So some of the stuff that would.

How do you get wood to burn that hot? You just, you deprive it of oxygen at first and, and get it hot. And then you drive all the gases off and you put more oxygen in, in that secondary chamber, and it looks like it's burning gas. Like it'll be a blue flame, and then it'll turn into a yellow flame. It starts out, actually.

And this is just oak. Maple beach. This is just conventional firewood. I burn near wood, nearest wood to the house. Right.

Like near, but yeah, I don't remember that. Near wooden. Yeah, near wood nearest. You burn softwood in it. You can.

But the BT, again, if you're doing this yourself, care about efficiency. Like, if you look at the old timers, they were the greenest people on the planet, right? They didn't waste a thing, and they figured out the most efficient way to do things because it was minutes out of their lives. Yes. So you start figuring out how to be more efficient when you're trying to be self sustaining.

So I've got, on my Twitter bio, I used to say, it may still say this on there, greenest member of Congress. That doesn't mean I just got there and I'm green. I never got any of the fact checkers to come after me on that. Nobody wants to fact check me because I probably am the greenest member of Congress who has self sustaining food. Self sustaining without externalities.

Right. Self sustaining power. Self sustaining water. So you heat with wood. How much would you burn?

Would you say a season the size of this table? Maybe four stacks of wood the size of this table. So this is about a quartz. This is about a quarter by four by eight. So, yeah.

Like, roughly that. So, yeah, four quarts a year. Yep. That's not much. That's impressive.

How do you get hot water? We've got three ways to make hot water. When our geothermal unit's running in the summertime, doing the air conditioning, it takes the heat out of the living room and puts it in the hot water tank. So we have free hot water from like, may until September when the air conditioner is running. And then in the winter, when the boiler, the wood boiler is running, that makes hot water.

And then if there's ever not the air conditioner running or the boiler running, we have an on demand. This is where we cheat on demand. Propane hot water heater. That makes up the difference. Amazing.

But you could pretty easily set up a wood fired outdoor. You could, yeah. But in, in the summer, again, you get it for free from the air conditioning. I actually have a fourth way to make hot water, too. So when we're not connected to the grid.

A lot of people who have solar panels are connected to the grid, and if they have extra power, they sell it back. Right. I'm always depressed when I have extra power. My solar panels just turn off, and I'm like, run around, turn on some lights, you know, turn on something. I don't want to waste this free electricity.

So I got extra hot water heater elements that run on DC so that when the sun, when our house is full, the first thing it does is it tries to charge the tesla that's sitting in the garage. So the tesla's sitting there at half full, and a solid state breaker in my breaker box comes on, starts the Tesla charging. Then when the Tesla gets full and the house battery is full, I create hot water with the electricity. So I've got, like, a fourth way to make hot water. Hot water is almost as good as water.

I mean, if you've ever gone without water, you know it's bad. Yeah. But going out without hot water is almost just as bad. Yeah. I have experience with that.

Yes. Where do you get your water? So I dug a well, and. Doug. Not.

Not drill, Doug. There are lots of old dug wells on our farm, so I knew it could work. Yeah. The way they would do it. They would dig a big pit.

Yes. They didn't dig it just straight down. They dug a big pit, and then they laid up stones in a circle. You know, the stones you see when you look in an old well. But then they backfilled the pit with stones so that extra area becomes like a reservoir, and then they put dirt on top of that so that, you know, when a raccoon poops next to your well, it doesn't necessarily go right into the reservoir.

So I did a very similar thing, but I hit bedrock and borrowed a friend's jackhammer and spent a day inside of that hole with a jackhammer, trying to get even deeper through the bedrock. I finally took my friend's jackhammer back and said, okay, that's deep enough. What was the jackhammer like? I mean, that's the best argument for. For public health care, because I don't.

I have a new appreciation for somebody that's running a jackhammer. Those are. Those would wear your body out quickly. Like, really quickly. Yeah.

Did you lose a crown? I did not lose a crown. So does. Does the weld, the Doug well work? It works one month out of the year.

We're kind of short on water. Yeah. So. Yes. August.

How'd you know that? Have you ever. I haven't dug well. Lived in this situation. Yes.

I haven't dug well, so I'm aware of that. But again, you conserve, right? Of course, if you have, if you're connected to city water and it seems what's on the other side is opaque to you, you just use as much as you want. And what happens is during those peak periods, that's when the utility company has to work extra hard. That's when the price and the inefficiency goes way up, is in those peak periods when people aren't cutting back in response to the supply because the actual cost of producing it isn't known when you're making it yourself, it's known.

But I've argued that water and electricity, even when they come from, especially when they come from utilities, should have variable pricing based on the instant, the cost at that very instant to produce it. And then you could have appliances not mandated, but smart appliances. If you're rich, you don't care when the price of power goes up, you don't know what it costs. You don't know what it costs. If you're poor and you've got a little screen that says the power just went up, you'll go turn it off, right?

You'll say, well, we'll do the dishes tonight, right, when it's cheaper. And if you're middle income, you probably eventually the market will respond to this and automate these things so that, you know, if you know the price of electricity, your appliance can know the price. I don't want the utility company to know what you're doing with it. Of course not. But you could have these smart systems that make a lot more efficient use of our resources.

So because you're not connected to the grid, to any public utility at all, I mean, you're actually independent in a way that no one outside of Alaska I've ever met is. And it sounds like you're not giving up anything. You're not living in a. Not too much. There are some sacrifices, like, well, you know, if it's cloudy for a lot of days and hot, we may turn the thermostat up just so we don't have to hear the backup generator run.

That doesn't seem like a crazy sacrifice. There's some people wouldn't think the instant they had to turn the thermostat from 72 to 75 was be, screw it, I'm out of here. I'm going. I'm going back to the grid. It means that the state kind of has no control over your land, correct?

Or me or you. So when I go to DC and they threaten me or try to bribe me, it's like, I know once Friday comes, I'm going to be back on my farm and I don't need them. Like, it's not that I don't want to do things for people. I help my neighbors and my neighbors help me and I want to do public service, but because I have this comfort level that I'm going to go back home to this. I don't need the job.

We're self sustaining. It gives you an extra dimension of independence, I think. When you're in DC. What about food? Can they starve you out?

I don't think so. Like, they can cut off my fish supply because we don't raise fish and we don't raise pork, but we raise chicken. Meat and eggs, we raise beef and we usually raise a pretty good garden. And I have an orchard. Peaches.

Lots of peaches. My first peach is going to be ripe here in a few weeks and my last peach will be ripe in September. So I've planted 14 kinds of peach trees, so they get ripe different weeks and they taste nothing like the cardboard peaches you buy at the supermarket. So you don't need to leave, actually, your form. No.

Are you trying to talk me out of like. I mean, this is a crisis. I have some weeks. I bet. Oh, man.

On Mondays it's like, you know you're going to get hit with a two x four as soon as you walk in the door in DC. It's like, is it weird that. I mean, I guess what I'm struck by. I don't live off grid, though I do have an off grid camp. But the amount of skills you need to build something like that is really, really striking.

Like, you actually have to know how to do things, complex things. I mean, timber framing is another level, but electrical plumbing, masonry, agriculture, heavy equipment operation, like, you can do all of that, obviously. So is it weird to be in a room with 434 people who can't do shit, who can't operate a micro? I mean, they're like actually incapable and maybe that's why they're in politics, so they can externalize their. Their self loathing.

Is that weird?

I really don't think about it that much. Good. I don't think about it. Where'd you pick up plumbing skills? So my rule is buy three books for everything because you can go to a hardware store and buy a book on plumbing, but I don't trust one book.

So you buy two books and then if the two books disagree, what are you going to do? Well, you got to have a third book. So I've got three books on plumbing, three books on wiring, three books on septic systems, three books on your septic to roofing. Yep. Three.

I get three books on everything. And you read them? And I read them. And then there's the code book, which is like, you know, the. It's almost like international housing code thing that some municipalities have adopted and you have to abide by.

I just look at that as like a suggestion manual. So do you think now we're way in the weeds? I don't know if anyone's watching, but they're like four handymen, carpenter, general contractors are still in this. But do you think that code, which really determines how people live in this country? The code, it's not up to code.

Is it. Is it real? I mean, is it knowing what you do about all those different trades? Does the code protect people? Actually, it protects the contractors.

Well, I know that. And so they help ride it. The unions do. So, for instance, the roofers union and the plumbers union, I think, have conspired to put as many holes in your roof with plumbing as possible. Right.

Because all the venting yellow. The vents. Right. If you try to build a house to code, you likely to have four or five perforations in your roof. I've noticed.

I. And. And that keeps the roofers busy. Like, to guarantee to get a call every few years to fix that leak. And it's also very expensive.

It's. It's fairly cheap to do roofing, but it's all the exceptions that cost money. And then if you're a plumber, that's one more thing. Like all the flashing and all the. Every time you have an aperture in a roof.

Yes. Like, that's a vulnerability. So my roof has no holes in it. Like, I looked at this, I'm like, well, that's a good suggestion, but who, who benefits if I believe so, you vent your stove at the side of the building. Not the.

No. No holes in my roof. No holes out the side. Have you seen that opera house in. I think it's Sydney, Australia.

Famous opera house. It's Sydney or Melbourne? Sydney. Okay. Sydney Opera House.

Yeah. There's no holes in that. There's bathrooms in there. How do they do it? They have the one way admittance valves like you have under your kitchen counter.

They have giant ones of those that work for the whole system, and they're not to code. But I think that's stupid. Because why would I want to put a bunch of holes in my roof? Well, I couldn't agree more. I'm interested in this topic, so.

But nobody else lives now. Thought of it. Well, but for the four people who are. I've always wondered that. Why with wood stoves, where I live, everywhere, lots of wood stoves.

And some of them I have wood stoves that vent out the side of the building, like next to a window, and then do an l up. It's not quite as efficient, you know, because you've got to turn in the run. But you don't have a hole in your roof. And in a climate with, like, lots of snow, for example, you don't want any holes in your roof. But how do you vent your furnace, for example, so that I just run in a typical flue, and it goes up in the chimney with my pizza oven flue, my wood cook stove flue, and my Rumford fireplace flu.

So I have four flues through the chimney on the gable end. No, they're in the middle of the house. I put the chimney in the middle of the house because it's a big thermal mass, and I wanted to smooth out the changes in temperature in the house. And so there's. Where I did accommodate one hole in the roof is the chimney, because if you put a big stone mass on the side of your house, there's no way to insulate it from the outside.

So, by the way, let me say something like, I know there are some women watching this, wondering, like, I want to live in a house like that. That sounds like a lot of fun. Talk to my wife first. Occasionally, we have, like, some crisis that I have to solve and become MacGyver. So the first time I got elected to Congress, for instance, the day before I went to go get sworn in, the well pump failed.

And I'm like, I can't leave my wife and four kids at home without water. And we have a very unique well pump. What do you mean by that? Well, I didn't buy the one at the hardware store. So you couldn't go replace it.

So I went down there. And what did you buy? It's like in a catalog somewhere. Like, the engineer in me found the best one. Okay.

It's not the most common one, but I had to fix it. So what I did is I found one of my drills, you know, like you drill holes with. And I took it down to the well, and I took the motor off the well pump, and I chucked the drill to the well head. And because it's not submerged. It's off the side in a pump house.

And I wired this, you know, had an outlet on it, but I just wired it into the well, pump wiring, and the drill pumped water for our house. I believe that long enough for me to go get sworn in. I've seen. I've seen that. I've seen drills run winches.

Yes. Well, I forgot it was there. Like, I did my congress thing for. You had it on continuously. Yeah.

And then the accumulator in the basement that controls the pressure would turn the drill off and on whenever it needed more water pressure, and so it ran continuously. I forgot about it. I just got busy and like a year later, a freaking water quit working again. Because the Makita died. Right.

It was actually a Milwaukee hole, the whole hog. You know, one of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I totally do what they handle on the side. Yeah, those are cool drills.

So you, um. Last night. I just want to end with this. Last night we were having dinner and. Which is really one of the most interesting, amusing dinners I've ever had.

But you made reference to a story. But we didn't get it. You didn't get a chance to finish it because I interrupted you. But about putting new plumbing in a county jail, I think. Would you tell that story?

Yeah. So quickly, I got into politics because we were living off the grid, and I read this little newspaper, and it said they were going to raise our taxes to fund this cronyism in the county, the conservation district, which was building stuff for themselves and not for other farmers. They wanted to tax other farmers to help their farm. Right. It wasn't really about conserving.

Farmers are the big, best conservationists there are, so let's don't punish them anymore. Okay, good call. So I fought that tax, and then I actually fought zoning in our county. They wanted to zone our county. I mean, zoning is to keep the smokestacks out of the cul de sacs.

Right. Okay. My county didn't have any smoke sacks and didn't have any cul de sacs. Right. We did like the neighborhood in ET.

You know that movie where the kids ride their bikes through the neighborhood? We didn't have neighborhoods like that, so we didn't need zoning. But somebody thought if we zoned the county that we would get prosperity because they saw all the prosperous counties had zoning. It's like it's cargo cult. No, totally.

It's like saying we should import some homeless because then we'll have banks. Right? Right. JT Morgan will move here because in midtown, they're homeless. Right.

So that was. I was fighting that and writing letters to the editor. And then finally I quit fighting the guy who was doing all this. He's called the county judge executive in Kentucky, like the mayor of the county. And I decided to run against him.

You'd never been in politics? Never in my life. Also, there was this guy named Rand Paul who was inspiring, who was taking on the establishment. It was his first run for senate and had decided to get involved in his race, too. So, just like with my house, I didn't go in partway.

I went in all in. Okay. On politics one fall, actually, one spring, because I had to win the primary, and Rand did, too. And so actually did a fundraiser for Rand at my house. When nobody wanted to do a fundraiser for Rand Paul because he was running against the establishment.

My house wasn't finished. We weren't even living in it yet. Sorry. Little sidebar stuff from the double wide. Yes.

We went to the double wide and we said, for $100, you can come to our pizza party. I did have the pizza oven working. And so you built the pizza oven before the bedrooms? Yes. Priorities.

That's right. Had to test it out, make sure it was inhabitable. So the funny thing, too, we didn't have doors on the bathrooms at the time. We had no doors. So we did run to Lowe's the day before Rand Paul came and put a door on the bathroom.

Good call. Because I was like, look, this guy could be a senator someday, and he might need to go to the bathroom. And we need something more than a curtain here. So we call it the rand Paul door on the bathroom. It's the one room that had a door from the very beginning.

Anyways, we did, by the way, also, this was in january, and Rand is cheap as hell. He had a two wheel drive suv, so I had to plow all my driveway so that he could get up there. And the problem is, it's gravel. So I had to plow all my gravel off practically just to get. So, for what it cost to upgrade to the four wheel drive for Rand Paul, I like my gravel costs way more than that.

Anyways, I went all in on politics, helped Rand get elected in his primary. I was on the ballot the same day in 2010. The primary, May 22, 2010. Rand was on the ballot, and I was on the ballot, but I was running for this little county executive seat, trying to take a Republican out because he's trying to raise our taxes and bring in more government. And so I won the election, and it was the most terrifying thing, when they handed me the key to the courthouse, like, it's a small town, and if the janitor didn't show up to open the courthouse and start the boiler, which looked like the african queen, right.

It was like you had to kick it and do all this stuff to get it started. The sheriff's office wouldn't be heated, the clerk's office wouldn't be heated, and my office wouldn't be heated if I couldn't get the african queen to start. So, anyways, I was like the dog that caught the bus. And I had promised I wouldn't raise taxes. And I was immediately confronted with all these problems that had accumulated over the years in our county government.

And the jailer came to me, who's an elected official in Kentucky? His name's Chris. And he. He got elected the same day I got elected. And he was all in on my, you know, let's reform this county.

But he had some bad news for me, by the way. The state government had sold the county government a bill of goods. They said, if you'll keep our state inmates, we'll pay you $32 a day, and you'll make all kinds of money. And the county was a million dollars in debt because this did not work out. And I wasn't going to spend another penny on this throwing good money after bad.

But we had 30 state inmates who go out and pick up trash and, you know, mow around the courthouse, and they. They get real sweaty. And the hot water heater had quit working at the jail. Ooh. And so the jailer, Chris, comes to me and says, judge.

They call me judge, even though I'm not an attorney, was the county judge executive. He said, judge, I got some bad news. It said, what's that? He said, well, the hot water heater quit working on the state inmate side, and I can't mix state inmates with local inmates. You know, you get murderers along with non support from childhood.

Totally. In DUI cases. Yeah, it's like this. We can't have them taking showers together. It's not going to work.

And I said, okay, we'll just buy another hot water heater. And he said, well, I tried that. I got a quote. We only had one licensed plumber in the county. And I said, well, what was the quote?

He said, $12,000. I said, I mean, this is a small county for a hot water heater. For a hot water. Like, all of our property taxes together were, like, $400,000. $12,000 for a hot.

I'm not paying $12,000 for a hot water heater. You tell that guy to get lost. And he said, well, what are you going to do? It's like, I'll go buy one at, you know, the hardware store or something. So I go look at this hot water heater at the jail.

It is not the kind you buy at the store. It's like a boiler almost. And it's fairly involved. It's got like inch and a quarter copper lines. It's not household plumbing.

But I had plum, I had three books on plumbing, right? I felt fairly confident. I said, well, if I can find one of these, I'll put it in myself. So I got on eBay and I looked for this model hot one. There was one buy it now for $5,500.

And I'm like, I can save the county like $6,500. So I called an emergency meeting of our fiscal court, brought in the magistrates, noticed it to the newspaper, did it all legally, and made a motion to buy it now on eBay. Then I hit the button. I bought this hot water heater. They bring it in a tractor trailer.

I didn't pay extra for the liftgate because I had inmates, the inmates take this thing out of the tractor trailer and we go in and we take the old hot water heater out. And there were three inmates in that closet, right? Working on that hot water heater, just demolishing everything. So they dragged that thing out of there. And I had to go in the closet with the inmates to put the new one in.

I'm like, I only want one inmate in that closet with me. The hot water heater needs plumbed. I don't need plumb. So the other two inmates that were smelling pretty rank at this point, I said, you guys go strip the old hot water heater. I want anything of value on that.

Besides you're in here for strip and copper and other things like you're good at. They're like, we can do this, judge. We know, we know short irons bringing this tin's bringing this copper will bring this aluminum. They could quote every price at the salvage. Seriously?

Yeah. So they, I leave the two inmates stripping the old hot water heater, and it had a computer on it and stuff, and I'm installing the new hot water heater. And I noticed, for instance, even like, the plumber had left off this water trap that keeps gases from escaping, like safety device. So I made sure to do it completely safe by the book or by the three books that I had. And I come out of the closet, by the way, there's like 30 inmates.

I had to walk by the rec room that had a piece of glass, and they could all watch me changing this hot water heater. And there's like 30 inmates, like, in disbelief with their hands and faces pressed to the glass, like, we have never seen a county judge exactly get a callous on his hand or do anything. So I go back out, and the inmate said, we got everything of value. There was this hulk of an old hot water heater sitting there. They had stripped the copper.

They had stripped all of the useful iron off of it. And I said, guys, you left the most valuable thing on it. And they said, no, judge, we've done this all our lives. We stripped these things. There's nothing on here.

They'll bring anything down. At Livingston, that was the junkyard place, recycling place. And I said, no, you left the most valuable thing. I said, come over here. And they walk over and I said, you see this lime green inspection sticker?

Get it wet and peel it off and glue it on the new hot water heater. Remember, I refused to hire the only licensed plumber in the county. They go, judge, you could go to jail for this. I said, I'll have a hot shower, won't I? You actually did that?

I did that. And the only reason I'm telling you this publicly is this was how long was it? Like 15 years ago or something and. No, 14 years ago. I think the statute of limitations, you know, practicing it without a license as a plumber on a public building is probably expired.

If not, the DOJ will be at my house as soon as this airs. But they have also since closed down the jail, like a few years later. They. It was a good move. Did they take the water heater with them?

I, you know, it's on my bucket list. It may still be in there. So what are they using it for now? It's. I think it's just vacant.

Maybe they'll use it for drug rehab or something at some point, which would make more sense. Did it work? Did your hot. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

It booted up. The computer came on, and everybody got. I mean, 30 inmates just waiting to take a hot shower. And it worked and worked. It worked until they shut the jail down.

But anyways, that set the tone. Like, you could say, well, you're the executive of the county, and you shouldn't be wasting your time on that. But, I mean, I had 4 hours of effort in it, and I saved the county $6,500. And I'm like, no, this is worth my time. And it also shows the inmates, like, okay, we're buying you dollar 50 lunches instead of the two dollar lunches now because we fired the crony who was doing the food system.

And they were less likely to complain when they saw that the judge himself was actually willing to change the hot water heater. But it also set the tone for the sheriff and the county clerk and everybody else who sees that. And it's like, man, he is a cheap bastard. Like, I'm not going to go ask him at the next fiscal court meeting for anything. Why don't you tell the story to AIPAC and maybe they'll leave you.

It's not personal. I'm not against you or your country. I just don't want to spend more money. By the way, I'm sure there will be some plumbing lobby against me next week after they see this. Well, the one thing I know for a fact is that you will bravely stand up to the irate plumbing lobby.

I will. One more story about lobbies. So I introduced this raw milk bill in Congress. And food freedom empowers small farmers. It's more nutritious.

I thought there was nothing to hate about it. I got 20 co sponsors. I put it in the hopper. I got my HR number. And that day, the milk lobby comes after me.

Like they said, there wouldn't be enough hospital rooms for all the children who were going to die from raw milk if my bill passed. And this is kind of weird. You've got a lobby going after its own product, the milk lobby. So my wife saw all these things come up on her alerts, on her phone, and she texted me. She was worried about me.

And she says, omg, I didn't realize the lactose lobby was this intolerant. Oh, that's brilliant you said that. That's pretty awesome. Thomas Massey. Thank you.

Hey, thank you, Tucker. Amazing.

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